* * *   D R A F T   * * * 

Minutes of the Routing Working Group held at
RIPE 46, Amsterdam, 
Tuesday, 2nd & Wednesday, 3rd September 2003

Session
1:

 * Administrativia 
    (Joao Damas)

	Chair: 			Joao Damas
	Scribe:
		James Aldridge, RIPE NCC
	Minutes from R45:	Circulated a few days
ago;
				no comments -> approved!
	Actions from R45:	None
	

 * RPSLng
Update 
   (Joao Damas)

	- New draft (draft-blunk-rpslng-01.txt); includes
input from previous
	  discussions.  Last Call went out last week.  Next
stage, if
	  approved, is to ask IESG to move this document to "Proposed
	 
Standard".

 * Bidirectional Forwarding Detector
   (Dave Ward, Cisco)

   
	BFD: Bidirectional Forwarding Detection
	Dave Katz, Juniper; Dave Ward,
Cisco
	"Forwarding Plane Failover Detection"

	Internet
Drafts:
		draft-katz-ward-bfd-01.txt
		draft-katz-ward-bfd-v4v6-1hop-00.txt


	Email list:
		rtg-bfd@ietf.org

	Questions:

	"What's vendor response
like?"  Very good; under pressure to get this
	implemented quickly.  Cisco,
Juniper + some switch vendors working on
	it!

	"If running over unencrypted
tunnels, does discriminator give enough
	info to demux and authenticate
packet?"  No; can be spoofed!.
	

 * Geographical aggregation for
multihoming in IPv6
   (Iljitsch van
Beijnum)

		http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-46/presentations/
			ripe4
6-routing-geo-aggregation.pdf

	(update since RIPE-44 & Vienna IETF)

	-
proposed interim solution for IPv6 multihoming
	- provider
internal

	Questions:

	"Address allocations per ISP?"  No; allocated
globally.


Session 2:

 * RIS Update
   (Matthew Williams, RIPE
NCC)

		http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-46/presentations/
			ripe46-ro
uting-ris.pdf

	Questions:

	"myASn: exact match only or more specific too?"
 More specific too
	(with exception capabilities in beta version).

	"myASn:
just 'my' ASn or 'somebody else's' ASn too?"  Any AS.

 * Verification of
Zebra as a BGP Measurement Instrument
   (Hong Wei Kong; presented by Lance
Tatman, Agilent
Labs)

		http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-46/presentations/
			ripe46-r
outing-zebra-bgp.pdf

    	Hong Wei Kong
<hong-wei_kong@agilent.com>
	
	Questions:

	"When will 'recording tool' be
ready?"  At least 6 months until
	beta...
	
	"Will 'recording tool' allow
playback?" (feature request)
	
	"What outstanding Zebra bugs?" Zebra should
separate receiving and
	dumping threads; general structural problem within
Zebra.

	Feedback required on demand for a route recorder.

 * Comparative
analysis of BGP update metrics
   (Alex Tudor, Agilent
Labs)

		http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-46/presentations/
			ripe46-r
outing-bgp-metrics.pdf

	Overview of math on OHP:
	- Quantile-quantile
plots
	- Cross-correlation

	No questions following presentation
		
 * The
Netlantis Project 
   (Pascal Gloor, Philippe
Bourcier)

	http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-46/presentations/
		ripe46
-routing-netlantis.pdf

	"real-time" only, no historical data


 * Any Other
Business

	Question to the Routing WG from MCI regarding routing setups. 
In
	particular, as a global ISP using data from the RIPE database and
	other
registries.

	- Inconsistant info in different registries
	- Can't determine
which is correct
	- What to tell customers - where to store data
	- US data
in European database?
	- Auto-generated router setups
	- What is the
position of RIPE / other areas

	Shane Kerr, RIPE NCC: RIPE Routing Registry
has no geographical
	restrictions but provides authentication for local
assignments only.
	RIPE NCC can't require registration; only provides the
tool.
	Suggest RIPE document on how to use routing registry.

	Routing
Registry Consistency Checking (RRCC) - live bgp data (from RIS
	project)
compared against routing registry - 40% of RR objects not
	announced.  Tools
to show those route objects so users can delete
	them.

	Is anyone using
auto-generated config from the routing registry
	without manual checking? 
Input requested from wg.