Sorry I had to cut the line at the microphone. Hans Peter Holen would you care to send your comment to the list? In addition, while watching Vince's presentation, and seeing how the little IPv6 would contribute to the total sum of routes one would be seeing announced to the Internet (internal routes are each ISP's problem in this context, to some extent) I was wondering what would actually happen towards the time around which *new* IPv4 addresses would become scarce and people are forced to change the way IPv4 is used (eg, by splitting current allocations and trading those smaller chunks). Then the question might become, what would the mess look like if there is no IPv6 deployment? and does the picture Vince hinted at become any worse in the absence of IPv6 deployment, even with the less than perfect routing solutions currently available? Joao