Re: [address-policy-wg] unacceptable conduct and ad-hominem attacks
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote:
On 19 Oct 2016, at 12:34, Ciprian Nica <office@ip-broker.uk> wrote:
But my problem at this point is not with an idea being right or wrong but with the fact that you are not a fair arbitrer.
In your (utterly flawed) opinion.
I respect everyone's opinion and especially yours.
I’m fairly sure the overwhelming majority of the people of this list have absolute confidence in the integrity of the WG’s co-chairs. If you think you can do better, feel free to stand the next time the appointment process runs.
I never care about the majority and I don't think that should be a standard. Time has proven that sometimes majorities are wrong.
As a WG Chair my opinion is that you should not take sides.
There is no evidence whatsoever to support your claim that Gert (or Sander) are “taking sides”.
Supporting an idea and ignoring someone based on personal feelings means taking sides.
It's a simple question from a member of the community to one of the WG Chairs: did you abuse the last /8 or not ? Do you consider yourself a neutral arbitrer or not ? Do you consider yourself the one that should be judging others ?
Here’s a simple rhetorical question for you. Do you think making unjustified ad-hominem attacks and insults like the above will encourage support for your position on this policy proposal?
Your behaviour here is unacceptable and way, way, way out of line.
With power comes responsibility. And yes, we should question our "leaders" all the time. This is not something wrong, it's helpful for keeping the balance.
Or is it your "job" to shut the voices that are not according to your interests ?
No. That’s *my* job. :-)
Until you apologise and learn how to conduct yourself properly on this list, Ciprian SHUT UP.
Unsubscribe, shut up, go away... Next time you'll send me to a concentration camp ? No I WILL NOT SHUT UP ! I will always express my opinion even if I'm the only one in the world supporting it. A great romanian said that the best definition of democracy is "I will fight till my last drop of blood so you will have the right to disagree with me". I know many don't like it and prefer to solve matters by putting the fist into minority's mouth. Who'll be next in line to be "killed" tomorrow ? Ciprian
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Ciprian Nica <office@ip-broker.uk> wrote:
Unsubscribe, shut up, go away... Next time you'll send me to a concentration camp ? No I WILL NOT SHUT UP ! I will always express my opinion even if I'm the only one in the world supporting it. A great romanian said that the best definition of democracy is "I will fight till my last drop of blood so you will have the right to disagree with me".
Your democratic right is to express your opinions without persecution from governmental authorities (with certain limitations). However, this is not a democracy. Additionally, you do not have the right to force your invective on others. We are not obliged to listen or read what you write, and as a mailing list member, you are obliged to at least a minimum of civility and courtesy to other members of the same list, be they WG chairs, or regular members. Calling them nazis and implicating that reacting to your behaviour is to send you to a concentration camp is far, far out of line, and shows that you're too disconnected from reality to listen to or respect, sorry. -- Jan
Maybe this is not a democracy but I hope most of us try to be as democratic as possible. I was not addressing the person. I like Gert, I like Jim and many other people. I really admire most of them. But this doesn't mean that I should just shut up when I disagree with some ideas. And yes, probably my comparison is far from the reality but I do hope people can understand metaphors. You judging me is not less bad than me judging someone else except that, I reapeat, I'm just addressing the facts and actions and not the people. As an exception I brought up how Gert bend the policy for his personal benefit and now tries to impose policies which would have not allowed him to do what he did. But as I insisted, let's no longer discuss this subject. I do think what he did was wrong but it's not for me to judge him so I won't. On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Jan Ingvoldstad <frettled@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Ciprian Nica <office@ip-broker.uk> wrote:
Unsubscribe, shut up, go away... Next time you'll send me to a concentration camp ? No I WILL NOT SHUT UP ! I will always express my opinion even if I'm the only one in the world supporting it. A great romanian said that the best definition of democracy is "I will fight till my last drop of blood so you will have the right to disagree with me".
Your democratic right is to express your opinions without persecution from governmental authorities (with certain limitations).
However, this is not a democracy.
Additionally, you do not have the right to force your invective on others. We are not obliged to listen or read what you write, and as a mailing list member, you are obliged to at least a minimum of civility and courtesy to other members of the same list, be they WG chairs, or regular members.
Calling them nazis and implicating that reacting to your behaviour is to send you to a concentration camp is far, far out of line, and shows that you're too disconnected from reality to listen to or respect, sorry. -- Jan
Man, not much IP brokerage business to take care of on your desk today? Maybe call some customers? They're probably waiting for that. #justanidea #lifecanbespentinproductivewaystoo cheers Enno On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 04:33:20PM +0300, Ciprian Nica wrote:
Maybe this is not a democracy but I hope most of us try to be as democratic as possible. I was not addressing the person. I like Gert, I like Jim and many other people. I really admire most of them. But this doesn't mean that I should just shut up when I disagree with some ideas. And yes, probably my comparison is far from the reality but I do hope people can understand metaphors.
You judging me is not less bad than me judging someone else except that, I reapeat, I'm just addressing the facts and actions and not the people. As an exception I brought up how Gert bend the policy for his personal benefit and now tries to impose policies which would have not allowed him to do what he did. But as I insisted, let's no longer discuss this subject. I do think what he did was wrong but it's not for me to judge him so I won't.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Jan Ingvoldstad <frettled@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Ciprian Nica <office@ip-broker.uk> wrote:
Unsubscribe, shut up, go away... Next time you'll send me to a concentration camp ? No I WILL NOT SHUT UP ! I will always express my opinion even if I'm the only one in the world supporting it. A great romanian said that the best definition of democracy is "I will fight till my last drop of blood so you will have the right to disagree with me".
Your democratic right is to express your opinions without persecution from governmental authorities (with certain limitations).
However, this is not a democracy.
Additionally, you do not have the right to force your invective on others. We are not obliged to listen or read what you write, and as a mailing list member, you are obliged to at least a minimum of civility and courtesy to other members of the same list, be they WG chairs, or regular members.
Calling them nazis and implicating that reacting to your behaviour is to send you to a concentration camp is far, far out of line, and shows that you're too disconnected from reality to listen to or respect, sorry. -- Jan
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"Man", If you have something against me, address it personally. You have my e-mail, you know where to find me for the next 10 days. Why do you think it's important for everybody to know that you hate me ? Ciprian On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Enno Rey <erey@ernw.de> wrote:
Man,
not much IP brokerage business to take care of on your desk today? Maybe call some customers? They're probably waiting for that.
#justanidea #lifecanbespentinproductivewaystoo
cheers
Enno
Maybe this is not a democracy but I hope most of us try to be as democratic as possible. I was not addressing the person. I like Gert, I like Jim and many other people. I really admire most of them. But this doesn't mean
I should just shut up when I disagree with some ideas. And yes, probably my comparison is far from the reality but I do hope people can understand metaphors.
You judging me is not less bad than me judging someone else except that, I reapeat, I'm just addressing the facts and actions and not the people. As an exception I brought up how Gert bend the policy for his personal benefit and now tries to impose policies which would have not allowed him to do what he did. But as I insisted, let's no longer discuss this subject. I do think what he did was wrong but it's not for me to judge him so I won't.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Jan Ingvoldstad <frettled@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Ciprian Nica <office@ip-broker.uk> wrote:
Unsubscribe, shut up, go away... Next time you'll send me to a concentration camp ? No I WILL NOT SHUT UP ! I will always express my opinion even if I'm the only one in the world supporting it. A great romanian said that the best definition of democracy is "I will fight
till
my last drop of blood so you will have the right to disagree with me".
Your democratic right is to express your opinions without persecution from governmental authorities (with certain limitations).
However, this is not a democracy.
Additionally, you do not have the right to force your invective on others. We are not obliged to listen or read what you write, and as a mailing
member, you are obliged to at least a minimum of civility and courtesy to other members of the same list, be they WG chairs, or regular members.
Calling them nazis and implicating that reacting to your behaviour is to send you to a concentration camp is far, far out of line, and shows
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 04:33:20PM +0300, Ciprian Nica wrote: that list that
you're too disconnected from reality to listen to or respect, sorry. -- Jan
-- Enno Rey
ERNW GmbH - Carl-Bosch-Str. 4 - 69115 Heidelberg - www.ernw.de Tel. +49 6221 480390 - Fax 6221 419008 - Cell +49 173 6745902
Handelsregister Mannheim: HRB 337135 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Enno Rey
======================================================= Blog: www.insinuator.net || Conference: www.troopers.de Twitter: @Enno_Insinuator =======================================================
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Jan Ingvoldstad