Request for clarification of the process
I refer to the message at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2014-October/000620. html It says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015." Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal going to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG? Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some other) mailing list? Please recall that the IANA transition process is supposed to involve the global multi-stakeholder community, and not just the RIPE community. Best, Richard
Hello Richard, all, Today the five RIRs published a proposal for a Consolidated RIR IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team that will be responsible for consolidating IANA stewardship proposals from the five RIR communities into a single Internet numbering community proposal to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG). More information on this is available at: https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated-... The proposal establishes a group of 15 individuals, drawn from the RIR communities and staff, who will work via public teleconferences and a new public mailing list: https://www.nro.net/mailman/listinfo/ianaxfer All are welcome to comment on this proposal; assuming the current proposal is acceptable to the community, an open call for community representatives to participate on the CRISP team will be issued shortly. I hope this goes some way to answering your question. Best regards, Chris On 16 Oct 2014, at 15:54, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote:
I refer to the message at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2014-October/000620. html
It says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015."
Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal going to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG?
Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some other) mailing list?
Please recall that the IANA transition process is supposed to involve the global multi-stakeholder community, and not just the RIPE community.
Best, Richard
Dear Chris, Thank you for this but, no, it does not answer my question. My question was not related to the global process, it was specifically directed at RIPE. Again, here is my question:
[The message from RIPE] says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015."
Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal going to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG?
Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some other) mailing list?
Best, Richard
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb@ripe.net] Sent: vendredi, 17. octobre 2014 01:38 To: rhill@hill-a.ch Cc: RIPE Cooperation Working Group Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process
Hello Richard, all,
Today the five RIRs published a proposal for a Consolidated RIR IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team that will be responsible for consolidating IANA stewardship proposals from the five RIR communities into a single Internet numbering community proposal to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG).
More information on this is available at: https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/con solidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team
The proposal establishes a group of 15 individuals, drawn from the RIR communities and staff, who will work via public teleconferences and a new public mailing list: https://www.nro.net/mailman/listinfo/ianaxfer All are welcome to comment on this proposal; assuming the current proposal is acceptable to the community, an open call for community representatives to participate on the CRISP team will be issued shortly. I hope this goes some way to answering your question. Best regards, Chris On 16 Oct 2014, at 15:54, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote:
I refer to the message at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2014-October/000620.
html
It says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015."
Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal going to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG?
Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some other) mailing list?
Please recall that the IANA transition process is supposed to involve the global multi-stakeholder community, and not just the RIPE community.
Best, Richard
Hi Richard, all, Thank you for the clarification. A couple of points initially: - The proposal that you are quoting is a draft text, intended as input to a community discussion - obviously it should not be regarded as final, and any sections that are unclear or problematic should be refined over the coming weeks. [Text of the draft proposal is available at: https://www.ripe.net/iana-oversight-transition] - The text was published prior to the announcement of the proposed Consolidated RIR IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team that was referred to in my earlier mail. The CRISP team proposal will likely have some implications for the RIPE community proposal text. [Text of the CRISP team proposal is available at: https://nro.net/crisp-team] It is expected that the RIPE community will finalise its proposal in early December, and pass this to the proposed CRISP team, who will be responsible for producing a consolidated proposal from all five RIR communities. If I understand correctly, your question is whether this consolidated proposal will be circulated back to the five RIR communities for discussion before being passed to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG) on (or before) 15 January. The CRISP proposal noted in my earlier mail specifies that all work by the CRISP team will be conducted on public mailing lists and teleconferences, allowing for the community to monitor this consolidation process as it occurs. It is likely that the CRISP team would plan to circulate a consolidated proposal back to the five RIR communities (either via theianaxfer@nro.net mailing list or the individual community forums), but the details of that process will be something for the CRISP team to decide. Obviously it would entail a trade-off in terms of time for their own work and deliberation. Community input and feedback would be a major factor in that decision, so I would urge anyone with strong feelings on this or any other aspects of the RIPE or CRISP proposals to raise their concerns explicitly on this mailing list. At the same time, I would encourage anyone supportive of the current proposals to voice that support. Best regards, Chris On 17 Oct 2014, at 18:08, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote:
Dear Chris,
Thank you for this but, no, it does not answer my question.
My question was not related to the global process, it was specifically directed at RIPE.
Again, here is my question:
[The message from RIPE] says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015."
Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal going to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG?
Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some other) mailing list?
Best, Richard
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb@ripe.net] Sent: vendredi, 17. octobre 2014 01:38 To: rhill@hill-a.ch Cc: RIPE Cooperation Working Group Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process
Hello Richard, all,
Today the five RIRs published a proposal for a Consolidated RIR IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team that will be responsible for consolidating IANA stewardship proposals from the five RIR communities into a single Internet numbering community proposal to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG).
More information on this is available at: https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/con solidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team
The proposal establishes a group of 15 individuals, drawn from the RIR communities and staff, who will work via public teleconferences and a new public mailing list: https://www.nro.net/mailman/listinfo/ianaxfer
All are welcome to comment on this proposal; assuming the current proposal is acceptable to the community, an open call for community representatives to participate on the CRISP team will be issued shortly.
I hope this goes some way to answering your question.
Best regards, Chris
On 16 Oct 2014, at 15:54, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote:
I refer to the message at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2014-October/000620.
html
It says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015."
Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal going to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG?
Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some other) mailing list?
Please recall that the IANA transition process is supposed to involve the global multi-stakeholder community, and not just the RIPE community.
Best, Richard
Dear Chris, Thank you for this helpful reply, which does indeed clarify some points. But I'm still not clear on something. The RIPE "proposal" that you refer to below is a very short text, and it does not appear to me to be a response to the RFP issued by the ICG. So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is submitted to CRIP?" Thanks and best, Richard
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb@ripe.net] Sent: lundi, 20. octobre 2014 14:30 To: rhill@hill-a.ch Cc: RIPE Cooperation Working Group Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process
Hi Richard, all,
Thank you for the clarification. A couple of points initially:
- The proposal that you are quoting is a draft text, intended as input to a community discussion - obviously it should not be regarded as final, and any sections that are unclear or problematic should be refined over the coming weeks. [Text of the draft proposal is available at: https://www.ripe.net/iana-oversight-transition]
- The text was published prior to the announcement of the proposed Consolidated RIR IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team that was referred to in my earlier mail. The CRISP team proposal will likely have some implications for the RIPE community proposal text. [Text of the CRISP team proposal is available at: https://nro.net/crisp-team]
It is expected that the RIPE community will finalise its proposal in early December, and pass this to the proposed CRISP team, who will be responsible for producing a consolidated proposal from all five RIR communities.
If I understand correctly, your question is whether this consolidated proposal will be circulated back to the five RIR communities for discussion before being passed to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG) on (or before) 15 January.
The CRISP proposal noted in my earlier mail specifies that all work by the CRISP team will be conducted on public mailing lists and teleconferences, allowing for the community to monitor this consolidation process as it occurs. It is likely that the CRISP team would plan to circulate a consolidated proposal back to the five RIR communities (either via theianaxfer@nro.net mailing list or the individual community forums), but the details of that process will be something for the CRISP team to decide. Obviously it would entail a trade-off in terms of time for their own work and deliberation.
Community input and feedback would be a major factor in that decision, so I would urge anyone with strong feelings on this or any other aspects of the RIPE or CRISP proposals to raise their concerns explicitly on this mailing list.
At the same time, I would encourage anyone supportive of the current proposals to voice that support.
Best regards, Chris
On 17 Oct 2014, at 18:08, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote:
Dear Chris,
Thank you for this but, no, it does not answer my question.
My question was not related to the global process, it was specifically directed at RIPE.
Again, here is my question:
[The message from RIPE] says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015."
Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal going to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG?
Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some other) mailing list?
Best, Richard
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb@ripe.net] Sent: vendredi, 17. octobre 2014 01:38 To: rhill@hill-a.ch Cc: RIPE Cooperation Working Group Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process
Hello Richard, all,
Today the five RIRs published a proposal for a Consolidated RIR IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team that will be responsible for consolidating IANA stewardship proposals from the five RIR communities into a single Internet numbering community proposal to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG).
More information on this is available at: https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/con solidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team
The proposal establishes a group of 15 individuals, drawn from the RIR communities and staff, who will work via public teleconferences and a new public mailing list: https://www.nro.net/mailman/listinfo/ianaxfer
All are welcome to comment on this proposal; assuming the current proposal is acceptable to the community, an open call for community representatives to participate on the CRISP team will be issued shortly.
I hope this goes some way to answering your question.
Best regards, Chris
On 16 Oct 2014, at 15:54, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote:
I refer to the message at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2014-October/000620.
html
It says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015."
Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal going to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG?
Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some other) mailing list?
Please recall that the IANA transition process is supposed to involve the global multi-stakeholder community, and not just the RIPE community.
Best, Richard
On 20.10.14 21:37, Richard Hill wrote:
So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is submitted to CRIP?" I think some of the answer may be found in https://www.nro.net/news/iana-stewardship-consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship-...
and on https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated-... It does say community members and staff - so I do not read that only staff will be involved. I also read that the work will be done on a public mailing-list and that the meetings will be open. -- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net
Dear Hans Petter, Thank you for this, it is helpful. But the links you provide refer to the NRO process, whereas my question was specifically about the RIPE NCC process. That is, what process will RIPE NCC use to prepare its input to CRISP. Thanks again and best, Richard -----Original Message----- From: cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net]On Behalf Of Hans Petter Holen Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 01:42 To: cooperation-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process On 20.10.14 21:37, Richard Hill wrote: So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is submitted to CRIP?"I think some of the answer may be found in https://www.nro.net/news/iana-stewardship-consolidated-rir-iana-stewardshi p-proposal-team and on https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidate d-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team It does say community members and staff - so I do not read that only staff will be involved. I also read that the work will be done on a public mailing-list and that the meetings will be open. -- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net
Dear Richard, all, Attempting a more specific answer to that question: According to the existing proposal [which should not be regarded as final], the RIPE community will not prepare a specific response to the Request for Proposals (RFP) produced by the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG). [The RFP text is available at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/rfp-iana-stewardship-08sep14-en....] The current "draft proposal" takes the approach of a higher-level RIPE community position, specifying the mechanism that the community wishes to see replace the existing NTIA agreement. The current APNIC community draft proposal is based on a similar approach. To avoid confusion, it may make more sense to refer to this document as a draft set of principles, but it is anticipated that this text will be the output of the RIPE community discussion. The ICG RFP lays out a very specific template for the proposals that the ICG expects to receive, and the CRISP team can be expected to produce a proposal based on this template. There is no requirement that the individual RIR communities use this template, and consolidating five lengthy, detailed proposals (as the RFP template would produce) may pose more of a challenge for the CRISP team than drawing together five expressions of priorities and preferred mechanisms to develop a single proposal, based on the RFP template. As always, all of the assumptions here are open for discussion in this working group. Best regards, Chris On 22 Oct 2014, at 16:31, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote:
Dear Hans Petter,
Thank you for this, it is helpful.
But the links you provide refer to the NRO process, whereas my question was specifically about the RIPE NCC process. That is, what process will RIPE NCC use to prepare its input to CRISP.
Thanks again and best, Richard -----Original Message----- From: cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net]On Behalf Of Hans Petter Holen Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 01:42 To: cooperation-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process
On 20.10.14 21:37, Richard Hill wrote:
So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is submitted to CRIP?"
I think some of the answer may be found in https://www.nro.net/news/iana-stewardship-consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship-...
and on
https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated-...
It does say community members and staff - so I do not read that only staff will be involved.
I also read that the work will be done on a public mailing-list and that the meetings will be open.
-- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net
Thanks for this. So, to be clear, the proposal is that RIPE NCC will not prepare a specific response to the ICG RFP, rather it will delegate to CRISP the task of preparing a draft response. The draft prepared by CRISP will be posted to this mailing list for discussion and comments. Is that correct? If yes, then I would propose that RIPE NCC request CRISP to take into account, when preparing the draft response, all the comments that have been posted to date to this mailing list. Thanks and best, Richard
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb@ripe.net] Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 09:40 To: rhill@hill-a.ch Cc: Hans Petter Holen; cooperation-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process
Dear Richard, all,
Attempting a more specific answer to that question:
According to the existing proposal [which should not be regarded as final], the RIPE community will not prepare a specific response to the Request for Proposals (RFP) produced by the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG).
[The RFP text is available at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/rfp-iana-stewardship-0 8sep14-en.pdf]
The current "draft proposal" takes the approach of a higher-level RIPE community position, specifying the mechanism that the community wishes to see replace the existing NTIA agreement. The current APNIC community draft proposal is based on a similar approach.
To avoid confusion, it may make more sense to refer to this document as a draft set of principles, but it is anticipated that this text will be the output of the RIPE community discussion.
The ICG RFP lays out a very specific template for the proposals that the ICG expects to receive, and the CRISP team can be expected to produce a proposal based on this template. There is no requirement that the individual RIR communities use this template, and consolidating five lengthy, detailed proposals (as the RFP template would produce) may pose more of a challenge for the CRISP team than drawing together five expressions of priorities and preferred mechanisms to develop a single proposal, based on the RFP template.
As always, all of the assumptions here are open for discussion in this working group.
Best regards, Chris
On 22 Oct 2014, at 16:31, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote:
Dear Hans Petter,
Thank you for this, it is helpful.
But the links you provide refer to the NRO process, whereas my question was specifically about the RIPE NCC process. That is, what process will RIPE NCC use to prepare its input to CRISP.
Thanks again and best, Richard -----Original Message----- From: cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net]On Behalf Of Hans Petter Holen Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 01:42 To: cooperation-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process
On 20.10.14 21:37, Richard Hill wrote:
So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is submitted to CRIP?"
I think some of the answer may be found in
https://www.nro.net/news/iana-stewardship-consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship- proposal-team
and on
https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated- rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team
It does say community members and staff - so I do not read that only staff
will be involved.
I also read that the work will be done on a public mailing-list and that
the meetings will be open.
-- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote:
Thanks for this.
So, to be clear, the proposal is that RIPE NCC will not prepare a specific response to the ICG RFP, rather it will delegate to CRISP the task of preparing a draft response.
Same with the AFRINIC region and i think will applies to other RIRs
The draft prepared by CRISP will be posted to this mailing list for discussion and comments.
Is that correct?
This is also how i understood it. However i would expect that mailing list
to be the NRO list which is more global. Although noting prevents cross-posting.
If yes, then I would propose that RIPE NCC request CRISP to take into account, when preparing the draft response, all the comments that have been posted to date to this mailing list.
Well if you ask me i did say that no major specific discussion/proposal has really happened ;) also it can be unrealistic to task a team yet to be formed to look at previous comments. While they may do that, i think when the team get formed, the 2 RIPE members should find a way of collecting comments from its region as same will be done in other regions as well.
Cheers!
Thanks and best, Richard
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb@ripe.net] Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 09:40 To: rhill@hill-a.ch Cc: Hans Petter Holen; cooperation-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process
Dear Richard, all,
Attempting a more specific answer to that question:
According to the existing proposal [which should not be regarded as final], the RIPE community will not prepare a specific response to the Request for Proposals (RFP) produced by the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG).
[The RFP text is available at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/rfp-iana-stewardship-0 8sep14-en.pdf]
The current "draft proposal" takes the approach of a higher-level RIPE community position, specifying the mechanism that the community wishes to see replace the existing NTIA agreement. The current APNIC community draft proposal is based on a similar approach.
To avoid confusion, it may make more sense to refer to this document as a draft set of principles, but it is anticipated that this text will be the output of the RIPE community discussion.
The ICG RFP lays out a very specific template for the proposals that the ICG expects to receive, and the CRISP team can be expected to produce a proposal based on this template. There is no requirement that the individual RIR communities use this template, and consolidating five lengthy, detailed proposals (as the RFP template would produce) may pose more of a challenge for the CRISP team than drawing together five expressions of priorities and preferred mechanisms to develop a single proposal, based on the RFP template.
As always, all of the assumptions here are open for discussion in this working group.
Best regards, Chris
On 22 Oct 2014, at 16:31, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote:
Dear Hans Petter,
Thank you for this, it is helpful.
But the links you provide refer to the NRO process, whereas my question was specifically about the RIPE NCC process. That is, what process will RIPE NCC use to prepare its input to CRISP.
Thanks again and best, Richard -----Original Message----- From: cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net]On Behalf Of Hans Petter Holen Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 01:42 To: cooperation-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process
On 20.10.14 21:37, Richard Hill wrote:
So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is submitted to CRIP?"
I think some of the answer may be found in
https://www.nro.net/news/iana-stewardship-consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship- proposal-team
and on
https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated- rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team
It does say community members and staff - so I do not read that only
staff will be involved.
I also read that the work will be done on a public mailing-list and that
the meetings will be open.
-- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net
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Dear Seun, Thanks for this. To your last point, I agree that there has not been much discussion, but there have been some proposals, see in particular: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2014-September/000575.... Best, Richard -----Original Message----- From: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com] Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 10:10 To: Richard Hill Cc: Chris Buckridge; RIPE Cooperation Working Group Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote: Thanks for this. So, to be clear, the proposal is that RIPE NCC will not prepare a specific response to the ICG RFP, rather it will delegate to CRISP the task of preparing a draft response. Same with the AFRINIC region and i think will applies to other RIRs The draft prepared by CRISP will be posted to this mailing list for discussion and comments. Is that correct? This is also how i understood it. However i would expect that mailing list to be the NRO list which is more global. Although noting prevents cross-posting. If yes, then I would propose that RIPE NCC request CRISP to take into account, when preparing the draft response, all the comments that have been posted to date to this mailing list. Well if you ask me i did say that no major specific discussion/proposal has really happened ;) also it can be unrealistic to task a team yet to be formed to look at previous comments. While they may do that, i think when the team get formed, the 2 RIPE members should find a way of collecting comments from its region as same will be done in other regions as well. Cheers! Thanks and best, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb@ripe.net] > Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 09:40 > To: rhill@hill-a.ch > Cc: Hans Petter Holen; cooperation-wg@ripe.net > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process > > > Dear Richard, all, > > Attempting a more specific answer to that question: > > According to the existing proposal [which should not be regarded > as final], the RIPE community will not prepare a specific > response to the Request for Proposals (RFP) produced by the IANA > Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG). > > [The RFP text is available at: > https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/rfp-iana-stewardship-0 > 8sep14-en.pdf] > > The current "draft proposal" takes the approach of a higher-level > RIPE community position, specifying the mechanism that the > community wishes to see replace the existing NTIA agreement. The > current APNIC community draft proposal is based on a similar approach. > > To avoid confusion, it may make more sense to refer to this > document as a draft set of principles, but it is anticipated that > this text will be the output of the RIPE community discussion. > > The ICG RFP lays out a very specific template for the proposals > that the ICG expects to receive, and the CRISP team can be > expected to produce a proposal based on this template. There is > no requirement that the individual RIR communities use this > template, and consolidating five lengthy, detailed proposals (as > the RFP template would produce) may pose more of a challenge for > the CRISP team than drawing together five expressions of > priorities and preferred mechanisms to develop a single proposal, > based on the RFP template. > > As always, all of the assumptions here are open for discussion in > this working group. > > Best regards, > Chris > > > On 22 Oct 2014, at 16:31, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote: > > > Dear Hans Petter, > > > > Thank you for this, it is helpful. > > > > But the links you provide refer to the NRO process, whereas my > question was specifically about the RIPE NCC process. That is, > what process will RIPE NCC use to prepare its input to CRISP. > > > > Thanks again and best, > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net]On Behalf Of Hans Petter Holen > Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 01:42 > To: cooperation-wg@ripe.net > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process > > On 20.10.14 21:37, Richard Hill wrote: >> So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a >> response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC >> staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is >> submitted to CRIP?" >> > I think some of the answer may be found in > https://www.nro.net/news/iana-stewardship-consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship- proposal-team > > and on > > https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated- rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team > > It does say community members and staff - so I do not read that only staff will be involved. > > I also read that the work will be done on a public mailing-list and that the meetings will be open. > > > -- > Hans Petter Holen > Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | > hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Seun Ojedeji, Federal University Oye-Ekiti web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535 alt email: seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng The key to understanding is humility - my view !
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