Survey - "Have you ever experienced or witnessed harrassment, intimidation or any other unwanted behaviour while at a RIPE Meeting?"
Hi all Gearing up to the discussions we will be having around the new CoC draft (and the CoC Team), we would like to get an idea about the climate of unwanted behaviours our attendees have experienced or witnessed over the years. We have heard a lot of stories from people...but as we've never had a proper reporting channel to investigate/handle reports, it's hard to imagine the scope of the problem. We've also heard many people say "there is no problem." The intention for this survey is to illustrate why this work on the CoC is so important - to make the meetings safer. This is not a reporting tool - we are specifically asking people not to divulge any identifying remarks. Here is the link for the survey (anyone on the TF who would like to share their story may also do so): <https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/N6S5SJ3> Regards Denesh
Hi Denesh, I am not sure such a survey is necessary at this point. I don't think this task force or the community as a whole questions the need for a code of conduct as such, the discussion is mostly about details of the document and the enforcement of it. The trusted contacts have been in place for many years and regularly reported back to Hans Petter about the complains or incidents received. The most recent report is published in Hans Petter's RIPE 78 summary on RIPE Labs. Of course there might have been incidents that were not reported to the trusted contacts. But if it would be helpful for the further dicussion, the trusted contacts could go back and try to provide an anonymised report of the last few years. Kind regards, Mirjam On 08/10/2019 09:01, Denesh Bhabuta wrote:
Hi all
Gearing up to the discussions we will be having around the new CoC draft (and the CoC Team), we would like to get an idea about the climate of unwanted behaviours our attendees have experienced or witnessed over the years.
We have heard a lot of stories from people...but as we've never had a proper reporting channel to investigate/handle reports, it's hard to imagine the scope of the problem.
We've also heard many people say "there is no problem."
The intention for this survey is to illustrate why this work on the CoC is so important - to make the meetings safer. This is not a reporting tool - we are specifically asking people not to divulge any identifying remarks.
Here is the link for the survey (anyone on the TF who would like to share their story may also do so):
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/N6S5SJ3>
Regards Denesh _______________________________________________ diversity mailing list diversity@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity
Hi Denesh,
Gearing up to the discussions we will be having around the new CoC draft (and the CoC Team), we would like to get an idea about the climate of unwanted behaviours our attendees have experienced or witnessed over the years.
Who is the second ‘we’ in this paragraph? I don’t recall seeing this survey discussed previously in the WG (though the matter may be moot as I see it has already hit ripe-list). Cheers, Rob
I am not convinced that this survey is the way to show why the work on a code of conduct is important. Frankly, it seems somewhat irresponsible to send this out to tens of thousands of people without any consultation with the task force at diversity@ripe.net. I can see numerous issues with this communication and action, and would've preferred it to not have happened at all. This seems like a mistake. I would recommend the survey is *immediately* deleted from surveymonkey.com
All, I was aware of this and I support it. I understand the concerns in regards to asking the question and there are risks, but I absolutely think it’s a question we need to ask as a community and I think other communities should also ask. No personal information, of anyone, will be released as part of this, that would be utterly unacceptable, of course. I have stood on stages and had multiple conversations in which I’ve said there is a problem, we have to face up to that, and I think this is one of the ways of doing it. I also believe that the RIPE Community is strong and wonderful. I think that there are people in the community who do not believe that there is a problem, so discussions and action like this are needed. I think that closing the survey would not be a good idea at this point in time. Please note, neither I nor Denesh have any visibility of the responses, albeit we know that multiple responses have come in already. Brian Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 From: diversity <diversity-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Job Snijders Sent: Tuesday 8 October 2019 10:37 To: Rob Evans <Rob.Evans@jisc.ac.uk> Cc: diversity@ripe.net Subject: Re: [diversity] Survey - "Have you ever experienced or witnessed harrassment, intimidation or any other unwanted behaviour while at a RIPE Meeting?" I am not convinced that this survey is the way to show why the work on a code of conduct is important. Frankly, it seems somewhat irresponsible to send this out to tens of thousands of people without any consultation with the task force at diversity@ripe.net<mailto:diversity@ripe.net>. I can see numerous issues with this communication and action, and would've preferred it to not have happened at all. This seems like a mistake. I would recommend the survey is *immediately* deleted from surveymonkey.com<http://surveymonkey.com>
Brian, On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> wrote:
I was aware of this and I support it.
I understand the concerns in regards to asking the question and there are risks, but I absolutely think it’s a question we need to ask as a community and I think other communities should also ask.
No personal information, of anyone, will be released as part of this, that would be utterly unacceptable, of course.
I have stood on stages and had multiple conversations in which I’ve said there is a problem, we have to face up to that, and I think this is one of the ways of doing it. I also believe that the RIPE Community is strong and wonderful.
I think that there are people in the community who do not believe that there is a problem, so discussions and action like this are needed.
I think that closing the survey would not be a good idea at this point in time.
Please note, neither I nor Denesh have any visibility of the responses, albeit we know that multiple responses have come in already.
Brian, Your email raises more questions than it answers. Who *DOES* have access to this information? What is their policy and guidance on the input received? What process exists for any input received? How long is the data kept for, and with what purpose exactly? Why are such vital questions not bundled with the survey? In terms of deciding to support this, what risks did you identify yourself? How did you assess those risks and then decide to proceed? Can you imagine how https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-list/2019-October/001643.html appears to any outsider? Kind regards, Job
Hi Job, I am the only person with access to the survey data. The survey will be kept open until the end of RIPE 79 and then the survey will be closed and deleted. The results shared will be: - # of respondants - The results of the Y/N question - The # of stories received The text introducing the survey gives more background info as to the purpose. Amanda On 08/10/2019 12:34, Job Snijders wrote:
Brian,
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> wrote:
I was aware of this and I support it.
I understand the concerns in regards to asking the question and there are risks, but I absolutely think it’s a question we need to ask as a community and I think other communities should also ask.
No personal information, of anyone, will be released as part of this, that would be utterly unacceptable, of course.
I have stood on stages and had multiple conversations in which I’ve said there is a problem, we have to face up to that, and I think this is one of the ways of doing it. I also believe that the RIPE Community is strong and wonderful.
I think that there are people in the community who do not believe that there is a problem, so discussions and action like this are needed.
I think that closing the survey would not be a good idea at this point in time.
Please note, neither I nor Denesh have any visibility of the responses, albeit we know that multiple responses have come in already. Brian,
Your email raises more questions than it answers.
Who *DOES* have access to this information? What is their policy and guidance on the input received? What process exists for any input received? How long is the data kept for, and with what purpose exactly? Why are such vital questions not bundled with the survey?
In terms of deciding to support this, what risks did you identify yourself? How did you assess those risks and then decide to proceed?
Can you imagine how https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-list/2019-October/001643.html appears to any outsider?
Kind regards,
Job
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Dear amanda, On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:46 AM Amanda Gowland <agowland@ripe.net> wrote:
I am the only person with access to the survey data.
The survey will be kept open until the end of RIPE 79 and then the survey will be closed and deleted.
The results shared will be:
- # of respondants - The results of the Y/N question - The # of stories received
The text introducing the survey gives more background info as to the purpose.
You should really be telling ripe-list@ripe.net this information. You should update the survey introduction text to add specifically: - what happens with the story that is submitted - who has access to the surveymonkey account - when the data will be deleted - whether the submitted stories are read by a human or not Crystal clear communication is required. Kind regards, Job
Hi Job, I've updated ripe-list with that info now. Thanks, Amanda On 08/10/2019 13:06, Job Snijders wrote:
Dear amanda,
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:46 AM Amanda Gowland <agowland@ripe.net> wrote:
I am the only person with access to the survey data.
The survey will be kept open until the end of RIPE 79 and then the survey will be closed and deleted.
The results shared will be:
- # of respondants - The results of the Y/N question - The # of stories received
The text introducing the survey gives more background info as to the purpose. You should really be telling ripe-list@ripe.net this information.
You should update the survey introduction text to add specifically:
- what happens with the story that is submitted - who has access to the surveymonkey account - when the data will be deleted - whether the submitted stories are read by a human or not
Crystal clear communication is required.
Kind regards,
Job
Hello all, The mail to ripe-list very clearly makes it sound like this survey is an action of the diversity task force. But this was never discussed on this mailing list? This seems very strange to me. How did that seem like a reasonable thing to do? I know governance processes around the task force are a bit fuzzy, but widely announcing a task force action that was never even shared on the mailing list, is very bizarre to me. I’ll leave comments on the survey and its purpose aside, as it seems like it's too late to share them now :/ Sasha
On 8 Oct 2019, at 09:01, Denesh Bhabuta <dblists@icloud.com> wrote:
Hi all
Gearing up to the discussions we will be having around the new CoC draft (and the CoC Team), we would like to get an idea about the climate of unwanted behaviours our attendees have experienced or witnessed over the years.
We have heard a lot of stories from people...but as we've never had a proper reporting channel to investigate/handle reports, it's hard to imagine the scope of the problem.
We've also heard many people say "there is no problem."
The intention for this survey is to illustrate why this work on the CoC is so important - to make the meetings safer. This is not a reporting tool - we are specifically asking people not to divulge any identifying remarks.
Here is the link for the survey (anyone on the TF who would like to share their story may also do so):
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/N6S5SJ3>
Regards Denesh _______________________________________________ diversity mailing list diversity@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity
On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:01:48 +0100 Denesh Bhabuta <dblists@icloud.com> wrote:
Hi all Hi all
Long time lurker here. for what it's worth, I am by no means an expert in diversity. The cat seems to be out of the sack with the survey, and I fully support doing this. It may be too early, it may have some problems. Unfortunately we do have a huge problem with people ignoring the problems in our communities. We see them being ignored all the time. I have followed a lot of the Code of Conduct discussion and am proud to say that we have a code of conduct on BornHack where I have been part of making it a great experience for people. I would VERY much like to see a strong and consistent leadership support and more from the diversity task force being implemented at RIPE meetings. Which would make it better for a lot of people! For this to happen we probably need more "evidence" and the survey and discussion may well achieve this. So thanks to all of you being active. Best regards Henrik -- Mvh/Best regards Henrik — Henrik Lund Kramshøj, Follower of the Great Way of Unix internet samurai cand.scient CISSP hlk@kramse.org hlk@zencurity.dk +45 2026 6000
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Amanda Gowland -
Brian Nisbet -
Denesh Bhabuta -
Henrik Lund Kramshøj -
Job Snijders -
Mirjam Kuehne -
Rob Evans -
Sasha Romijn