Re: [ncc-services-wg] ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 116, Issue 12

27 Oct 2022

      Do NOT support such measures.  It can cause the economy problems, it will disturb small companies to expand. We should find the solution to check not to block any possiblities.

And by the way, there is no such countries as DNR, LNR, HNR, etc. 

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Today's Topics: 

   1. Transfers from Ukraine (Leonid Khorolets) 
   2. Re: Transfers from Ukraine (Max Tulyev) 
   3. Re: Transfers from Ukraine (????? ??????) 
   4. Ukrainian LIR (Serhii Khomenko) 
   5. Do not ban the ukrainians LIRs (Alexander Buzaev) 
   6. Ukrainian blockings (vs@liptel.net.ua) 

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Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:43:29 +0200 
From: Leonid Khorolets <inetcomas29442@gmail.com> 
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Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine 
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We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses from 
Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network running 
and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about transfer block 
in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting does not represent 
a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only themselves/ 
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Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:57:30 +0300 
From: Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua> 
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Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine 
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That exactly what I said today at the meeting. You saw only several LIRs  
want to block transfers for ALL. But a lot are against this initiative  
and even don't know about it. 

Please protect only those of them who ask for it. And don't touch those  
who don't want that "protection". 

26.10.22 18:43, Leonid Khorolets ????:
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We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses  
from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network  
running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about  
transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting  
does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only  
themselves/
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Message: 3 
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:35:48 +0200 
From: ????? ?????? <x-ray@kct.net.ua> 
To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net 
Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine 
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I do not understand the procedure of the transfer ban proposal. Who and how 
will decide if resources are Ukrainian or not. And why should Ukrainian 
resource holders all suffer from the "Ban all" policy if DNR, LNR and RU 
should not? 

I think the idea about  "own decision button or e-mail request to suspend 
all requests from me for X mouns" is better and suites good for all 
purposes and more about free will, then just "ban all". 

??, 26 ???. 2022 ?. ? 17:57, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua>:
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That exactly what I said today at the meeting. You saw only several LIRs 
want to block transfers for ALL. But a lot are against this initiative 
and even don't know about it.
Please protect only those of them who ask for it. And don't touch those 
who don't want that "protection".
26.10.22 18:43, Leonid Khorolets ????:
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We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses 
from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network 
running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about 
transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting 
does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only 
themselves/
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Message: 4 
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 23:18:23 +0300 
From: Serhii Khomenko <khomenko.serhii.m@gmail.com> 
To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net 
Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Ukrainian LIR 
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As the Ukrainian LIR, I'm strongly against the ban of transferring 
Ukraine's resources! It won't help me at all, but it will cause me a lot of 
problems. I do not believe it will help to protect resources on the 
occupied territories. NCC hostmasters have to check all the "documents" 
from DPR/LPR/ other temporarily occupied territories very carefully. This 
is the only way. 

Please do not implement this ban!" 

Regards, 
Serhii 
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Message: 5 
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 00:08:58 +0300 
From: Alexander Buzaev <alex.weeccomi@ukr.net> 
To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net 
Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Do not ban the ukrainians LIRs 
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Hi, 
I heard that someone propoused do not provide to ukrainian's LIRs possibilities to manage thair resourses (like transfering). It's totally insaine. How?a?limitation of our rights should?help us? Only russia should be banned!!! RIPE NCC has to do their job and protect LIRs that are temporarry under occupation but not by banning whole Ukraine. Stop TERROrussia! Support Ukraine! 

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Message: 6 
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 00:20:54 +0300 
From: vs@liptel.net.ua 
To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net 
Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Ukrainian blockings 
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