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(Re-Revised) TERENA (was RARE) ISUS WG meeting minutes
by Jill.Foster＠newcastle.ac.uk 21 Dec '94

21 Dec '94

[Re-revised URL: Apologies for the *further* error and for assuming that you were all psychic. It was under the influence of influenza :-( (or at least a pretty horrible cold that seems to have got most people here.) I hope you find the minutes worth the fight! Have a peaceful Christmas and New Year. -- Jill] TERENA INFORMATION SERVICES AND USER SUPPORT WORKING GROUP (ISUS WG) The ISUS WG meeting was held in London on December 1st and 2nd, 1994. This is an open group with members working in the area of information services and user support from all around Europe. As only a small fraction of the group can ever make a face to face meeting (50 attended the London meeting), the minutes are deliberately written for those that were unable to attend. It therefore forms a good overview of some of the work going on in this area. The minutes may be found on the Terena document server: ftp://ftp.terena.nl/terena/working-groups/wg-isus/minutes/london-12-94 -- Jill Foster

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(Revised) TERENA (was RARE) ISUS WG meeting minutes
by Jill.Foster＠newcastle.ac.uk 19 Dec '94

19 Dec '94

[Revised URL - sorry about the typing error - it was my cold - not me!! - Jill] TERENA INFORMATION SERVICES AND USER SUPPORT WORKING GROUP (ISUS WG) The ISUS WG meeting was held in London on December 1st and 2nd, 1994. This is an open group with members working in the area of information services and user support from all around Europe. As only a small fraction of the group can ever make a face to face meeting (50 attended the London meeting), the minutes are deliberately written for those that were unable to attend. It therefore forms a good overview of some of the work going on in this area. The minutes may be found on the Terena document server: ftp://ftp.terena.nl/working-groups/wg-isus/minutes/london-12-94 -- Jill Foster

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TERENA (was RARE) ISUS WG meeting minutes
by Jill.Foster＠newcastle.ac.uk 19 Dec '94

19 Dec '94

TERENA INFORMATION SERVICES AND USER SUPPORT WORKING GROUP (ISUS WG) The ISUS WG meeting was held in London on December 1st and 2nd, 1994. This is an open group with members working in the area of information services and user support from all around Europe. As only a small fraction of the group can ever make a face to face meeting (50 attended the London meeting), the minutes are deliberately written for those that were unable to attend. It therefore forms a good overview of some of the work going on in this area. The minutes may be found on the Terena document server: ftp://ftp.terena.working-groups/wg-isus/minutes/london-12-94 -- Jill Foster

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Re: FIRST Europe ?
by Harald.T.Alvestrand＠uninett.no 18 Dec '94

18 Dec '94

Consider me corrected. We definitely need FSIG-Europe. We also need a CERT/CC that operates in European time and provides incident handling. I'll shut up now :-) Harald A

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Re: Fw: Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Philippe-Andre Prindeville 16 Dec '94

16 Dec '94

On Dec 16, 16:26, Piet Beertema wrote: > Subject: Re: Fw: Re: DANTE CERT Service > Are you kidding? Involving police/government might well become > counterproductive, since their ideas about (computer) security > are often a bit strange, to put it mildly. A clear case is the > proposal recently by the Dutch government for making encryption > effectively illegal; needless to say that this led to a storm > of protest and eventually to the withdrawal of the proposal; > and to the even more rapid spreading of PGP.... Sigh. Here in France, encryption devices (including software) are considered as "armes de guerre" -- weapons of war. It is a bit difficult to imagine a division of soldiers invading any country carrying encrypt(1) on diskettes, but nonetheless the requirements for possessing and using encryption mechanisms are the same as for a 7.62mm rifle. (It's also difficult to imagine an army being immobilized because their bicycles were confiscated, but that's another story ;-) War, and the mentality that comes with it, is often opposed to reason. Anyway, let's *not* involve the "authorities" in the CERT -- they are often reactionary. -Philip

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Fw: Re: DANTE CERT Service
by P.Bryant 16 Dec '94

16 Dec '94

>Claus Kalle <Kalle(a)rrz.uni-koeln.de>: >> My impression is that the role of providing neutral ground for >> organizations like CERTs should/can be taken over by federations >> like EurOpen for Europe and the respective national groups like >> EurOpen.SE (Sweden), GUUG (Germany), NLUUG (The Netherlands) & UKUUG >> (United Kingdom) and the others. > >Would that really be a good idea? Those organisations are to my >knowledge purely Unix oriented. Would they be very interested in >pursuing security problems with VAX/VMS, MS Windows and MacOS? No, it >has to be an independent organisation. Actually, it shouldn't even be >related to networking, but to *computing*! > > Best regards, > > /Liman Having been round most of the organisations in our empires perhapse we should think again about government ones? Some the activities we are interested in are illegal so perhapse this also points to police/government or some combination. If it were at that level the funding would not be from the likes of ourselves. Paul. Paul Bryant. Rutherford Lab, Chilton, Didcot, OX11 0QX, GB Tel. +44 235 445 267 Fax. +44 235 446 626

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Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Alf Hansen 16 Dec '94

16 Dec '94

> > Could someone please advise me on *why* it is necessary or useful to > create a "FIRST-Europe?" when there is a well-established FIRST? There is no need for a FIRST-Europe. There should be only ONE FIRST. This was also the conclusion from the Hamburg meeting. Best regards, Alf H

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Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Claus Kalle 16 Dec '94

16 Dec '94

On Dec 11, 4:44pm, Simon Poole wrote: > Subject: Re: DANTE CERT Service ... > > Why would anybody fund a competitor to provide this service? > > Sorry, but the only way to go is via a trusted, neutral organisation > (Ripe, perhaps Terena). -IF- European level coordination is needed in > the first place, of which I remain unconvinced. Somehow it appears to me that all this discussion comes up because of DANTE's difficult role of being financed mostly by academic network organiz ations (="neutral"?) however DANTE being a competitive service provider. My impression is that the role of providing neutral ground for organizations like CERTs should/can be taken over by federations like EurOpen for Europe and the respective national groups like EurOpen.SE (Sweden), GUUG (Germany), NLUUG (The Netherlands) & UKUUG (United Kingdom) and the others. More info about EurOpen and the others can be found e.g. at http://iaix3.informatik.htw-dresden.de/unix_europen.html Regards, Claus Kalle Board member of the German Unix Users Group -- Claus Kalle, University of Cologne Regional Computing Center i i Systems and Networking Dept. M M The E-Mail: Kalle(a)rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE /I\ /I\ Cologne Phone: +49 221 478 5580 MIIIIIM Cathedral Fax: +49 221 478 5590 MiMiMiM Snail-Mail: Robert-Koch-Str. 10, 50931 Koeln MIMiMiM Germany

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Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 15 Dec '94

15 Dec '94

>From: Harald.T.Alvestrand(a)uninett.no >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:53:13 +0100 > >Some people might doubt that EurOpen can manage to forget its historical >links to EUNet. >... >- The Concert-in-E proposal should be pursued, but the result might > be more of a consultation forum (FIRST-Europe?) rather than > an operational service (CERT-Europe). Could someone please advise me on *why* it is necessary or useful to create a "FIRST-Europe?" when there is a well-established FIRST? This sounds similar to proposing an IETF-Europe, just because we can't stand the idea the IETF (and the FIRST) were established somewhere else... But then, I didn't have the time yet to deply dive into this or to attend the recent meetings. So I may be missing crucial bits of information. Thanks, -Wilfried. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at Computer Center - ACOnet : Vienna University : Tel: +43 1 4065822 355 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4065822 170 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : NIC: WW144 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Call for Proposals - Telematics Applications Programme
by martin＠terena.nl 15 Dec '94

15 Dec '94

(Apologies if you receive this more than once) 15th December 1994 The first TELEMATICS APPLICATIONS Programme Call for Proposals has been issued today. It is being made available simultaneously on paper, World Wide Web and via ftp. You can access the call via WWW at: http://www.terena.nl/telematics/cfp.html or you can retrieve the complete 'Proposers Pack' by ftp from: ftp://ftp.terena.nl/telematics/proposers-pack-PS.tar.Z (Postscript) ftp://ftp.terena.nl/telematics/proposers-pack-RTF.tar.Z (RTF) The closing date for submission of proposals is the 15th March 1995 but outline proposals may be submitted before then. Please see the call for more details. Please let me know if there are any problems accessing these documents but specific queries about the call should be addressed to the European Commission <telematics(a)dg13.cec.be> Due to the nature of the documents, an ascii text version is _not_ being made available. Regards, John

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