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Announcement of 19th RIPE Evening Dinner - Lisbon, Portugal
by Anne Lord 29 Aug '94

29 Aug '94

* ANNOUNCEMENT * * ANNOUNCEMENT * * ANNOUNCEMENT * * ANNOUNCEMENT * * 19th RIPE Meeting Dinner Tuesday, September 13th, Lisbon Venue: FAIA Rua da Barroca, 54/56 Bairro Alto Lisbon Time: 8:30pm The RIPE Evening Dinner for this meeting has been kindly organised by Graca Carvalho. The dinner will be in a "Fado" restaurant. "Fado" is a very special kind of music and song that can only be found in Lisbon. The food that will be served is typically Portugese. The menu for the dinner is as follows: Linguica Portuguesa (Portugese sausage) Carapaus de Escabeche (Mackerel with onion sauce) -00- Melao com presunto (Melon with smoked ham) -00- Escalopes de vitela recheados com presunto (Veal Scallops stuffed with smoked ham) -00- Trouxas de ovos com gelado (Sweet Egg rolls with ice-cream) -00- Cafe' (Coffee) -00- Vinho do Douro (Wine from the Douro region) Please note: *The cost of the dinner is fixed at Hfl. 70,- inc. drinks. The exact price to be paid in Portugese Escudos will depend on the exchange rate on the day of the dinner. At todays rate, the dinner will cost Price: 7.000$00 Escudos. This will be payable in CASH on the day of the dinner. Please reply to Graca Carvalho <graca(a)rccn.net> if would like to have a place reserved for you at the dinner. Unfortunately you will not be able to attend without prior registration, so please let us know asap. Thanks! Anne and Graca. - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - -- - - - - - - -- - - - - - -- 19th RIPE Meeting, Lisbon Evening Dinner 13th September, 1994 < > I will be attending the RIPE Evening Dinner < > I will be bringing a guest(s). Please state below how many guests you will be bringing No. of guests: < > Please indicate if you are a vegetarian or have special dietary needs vegetarian : special diet, please specify : < > Name: < > Email address: - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - -- - - - - - - -- - - - - - --

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Re: RIPE DNS Hostcount July 1994 error...
by Marten Terpstra 26 Aug '94

26 Aug '94

Panagiotis Tzounakis <pj(a)forthnet.gr> writes * Marten, * I think Cyprus and Greece were accidentally swaped in the * RIPE DNS Hostcount July 1994.... Indeed they were. Post-holiday blues I guess. Please all find below the corrected hostcount. I have not included the history because the total figures have not changed. All files on ftp.ripe.net have been corrected as well. -Marten RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Thu Jun 30 1994 This Count : Sun Jul 31 1994 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================ al 2 0 0 0 0 at 415 21758 740 21018 + 1404 az 1 0 0 0 0 be 161 13027 224 12803 + 688 bg 2 15 5 10 - 71 by 1 0 0 0 0 ch 308 48901 373 48528 + 2113 cs 54 1916 133 1783 - 521 cy 2 17 0 17 - 21 cz 142 7370 114 7256 - 70 de 2101 158019 4498 153521 +11394 dk 201 12894 497 12397 + 259 dz 2 9 0 9 + 2 ee 30 692 4 688 + 50 eg 4 57 0 57 0 es 385 21698 184 21514 - 227 fi 412 51407 1006 50401 + 3477 fo 1 0 0 0 0 fr 863 74369 1097 73272 + 4671 gb 1 22 0 22 + 1 ge 1 0 0 0 0 gr 204 2920 137 2783 - 15 hr 59 783 13 770 - 58 hu 90 5596 29 5567 + 149 ie 25 1873 11 1862 - 680 il 168 8857 156 8701 + 530 is 68 3350 24 3326 + 165 it 590 21975 472 21503 - 2010 li 4 30 3 27 0 lt 8 52 0 52 - 1 lu 22 426 2 424 + 10 lv 15 214 1 213 + 26 ma 1 0 0 0 0 mk 1 0 0 0 0 mt 1 0 0 0 0 nl 602 62783 1023 61760 + 2374 no 621 38297 413 37884 - 904 pl 341 7102 209 6893 - 291 pt 143 4609 60 4549 + 237 ro 28 460 3 457 + 43 ru 59 679 67 612 + 159 se 769 58346 1111 57235 + 1500 si 30 1151 24 1127 + 291 sk 74 1226 16 1210 + 153 su 213 3688 165 3523 + 300 tn 2 35 1 34 - 12 tr 51 1356 28 1328 + 122 ua 56 436 47 389 + 112 uk 1394 181146 16924 164222 + 4013 va 0 0 0 0 0 yu 3 0 0 0 0 ============================================================ 10731 819561 29814 789747 +29362

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RIPE DNS Hostcount July 1994
by Marten Terpstra 25 Aug '94

25 Aug '94

[ Some people may have received some old mail from us over the last minutes or so. Due to an error, we have resent some mail that was originally sent in May this year. Apologies. ] Folks, Here is the (belated) hostcount for July 1994. Due to holidays the results are only available now, but the data was actually gathered at the end of July. - A few countries show a slightly lower count this month. Due to my absense I have not been able to re-count them. - Overall an increase of over 29,000 (or 3.8%) to almost 790,000 machines in the European part of the DNS. - Those who want to pick up some data from the usual place (ftp.ripe.net:ripe/hostcount) have to hurry up, because the files will be replaced by the August hostcount next week. Sorry. Cheers, -Marten ----- RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Thu Jun 30 1994 This Count : Sun Jul 31 1994 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================ al 2 0 0 0 0 at 415 21758 740 21018 + 1404 az 1 0 0 0 0 be 161 13027 224 12803 + 688 bg 2 15 5 10 - 71 by 1 0 0 0 0 ch 308 48901 373 48528 + 2113 cs 54 1916 133 1783 - 521 cy 204 2920 137 2783 + 2745 cz 142 7370 114 7256 - 70 de 2101 158019 4498 153521 +11394 dk 201 12894 497 12397 + 259 dz 2 9 0 9 + 2 ee 30 692 4 688 + 50 eg 4 57 0 57 0 es 385 21698 184 21514 - 227 fi 412 51407 1006 50401 + 3477 fo 1 0 0 0 0 fr 863 74369 1097 73272 + 4671 gb 1 22 0 22 + 1 ge 1 0 0 0 0 gr 2 17 0 17 - 2781 hr 59 783 13 770 - 58 hu 90 5596 29 5567 + 149 ie 25 1873 11 1862 - 680 il 168 8857 156 8701 + 530 is 68 3350 24 3326 + 165 it 590 21975 472 21503 - 2010 li 4 30 3 27 0 lt 8 52 0 52 - 1 lu 22 426 2 424 + 10 lv 15 214 1 213 + 26 ma 1 0 0 0 0 mk 1 0 0 0 0 mt 1 0 0 0 0 nl 602 62783 1023 61760 + 2374 no 621 38297 413 37884 - 904 pl 341 7102 209 6893 - 291 pt 143 4609 60 4549 + 237 ro 28 460 3 457 + 43 ru 59 679 67 612 + 159 se 769 58346 1111 57235 + 1500 si 30 1151 24 1127 + 291 sk 74 1226 16 1210 + 153 su 213 3688 165 3523 + 300 tn 2 35 1 34 - 12 tr 51 1356 28 1328 + 122 ua 56 436 47 389 + 112 uk 1394 181146 16924 164222 + 4013 va 0 0 0 0 0 yu 3 0 0 0 0 ============================================================ 10731 819561 29814 789747 +29362 This is an overview of the History of the RIPE hostcounts. It only contains the totals. The totals for 1990-1991 should be considered rather unstable and unreliable because the program used then was not really tuned, plus the count was not done as regular as it is now. Count : total hostcount for all European top level domains Delta : delta since previous count Delta % : delta as percentage of previous count Q Delta : delta over the past quarter Q Delta%: delta over last quarter as percentage of end of last quarter count For the Q Deltas I have not calculated those back before 1992, because the figures for 1990-1991 are not too reliable. *) Dec 1991 hostcount estimated at 135,000. Count Delta Delta % Q Delta Q Delta % ------------------------------------------------------------------- Oct 1990 31724 Nov 1990 33665 + 1941 + 6.1% Dec 1990 29230 - 4435 - 13.2% Jan 1991 43832 + 14602 + 50.0% Feb 1991 - Mar 1991 44506 + 674 + 1.5% Apr 1991 46948 + 2442 + 5.5% May 1991 - Jun 1991 63267 + 16319 + 34.8% Jul 1991 - Aug 1991 73069 + 9802 + 15.5% Sep 1991 92834 + 19765 + 27.0% Oct 1991 104824 + 11990 + 12.9% Nov 1991 129652 + 24828 + 23.7% Dec 1991 - Jan 1992 141308 + 11656 + 9.0% Feb 1992 161434 + 20126 + 14.2% Mar 1992 167939 + 6505 + 4.0% + 32939 *) + 24.4% *) Apr 1992 170050 + 2111 + 1.3% May 1992 182528 + 12478 + 7.3% Jun 1992 196758 + 14230 + 7.8% + 28819 + 17.2% Jul 1992 213017 + 16259 + 8.3% Aug 1992 221951 + 8934 + 4.2% Sep 1992 232522 + 10571 + 4.8% + 35764 + 18.2% Oct 1992 254585 + 22063 + 9.5% Nov 1992 271795 + 17210 + 6.8% Dec 1992 284374 + 12579 + 4.6% + 51852 + 22.3% Jan 1993 303828 + 19454 + 6.8% Feb 1993 322902 + 19074 + 6.3% Mar 1993 355140 + 32238 + 10.0% + 70766 + 24.9% Apr 1993 366164 + 11024 + 3.1% May 1993 385522 + 19358 + 5.3% Jun 1993 404930 + 19408 + 5.0% + 49790 + 14.0% Jul 1993 426827 + 21897 + 5.4% Aug 1993 451116 + 24289 + 5.7% Sep 1993 469356 + 18240 + 4.0% + 64424 + 15.9% Oct 1993 500018 + 30662 + 6.5% Nov 1993 533701 + 33683 + 6.7% Dec 1993 553357 + 19656 + 3.7% + 84001 + 17.9% Jan 1994 587135 + 33778 + 6.1% Feb 1994 623158 + 36023 + 6.1% Mar 1994 655164 + 32006 + 5.1% +101807 + 18.4% Apr 1994 693346 + 38182 + 5.8% May 1994 735317 + 41971 + 6.1% Jun 1994 760385 + 25076 + 3.4% +105221 + 16.1% Jul 1994 789747 + 29362 + 3.8%

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RIPE Meeting www page by local hosts
by Anne Lord 25 Aug '94

25 Aug '94

Dear All, I have made a link from the RIPE NCC www page on the "Details of the Next RIPE meeting" (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/ripemtgs.html) to the URL below, which was prepared by the local organisers in Lisbon. Thanks to them for doing a good job! Anne ------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 22:35:51 +0000 From: Carlos.Picoto(a)di.fc.ul.pt (Carlos Picoto) To: Anne Lord <Anne.Lord(a)ripe.net> cc: pmv(a)di.fc.ul.pt, amorim(a)ptearn.cc.fc.ul.pt Subject: Re: 19th RIPE meeting in Lisbon - ANNOUNCEMENT Dear Madam, We have setup at our WWW server an iformation page about the RIPE meeting, with some relevant photos and schemes. The URL is http://www.fc.ul.pt/ripe This was done by the Informatics Department (Prof. Pedro Veiga and myself) coop erating with the Computer Center of the Faculty and with Prof. Pedro Amorim. Best regards. ____________________________________________________________________ Carlos Picoto | e-mail: Carlos.Picoto(a)di.fc.ul.pt Departamento de Informatica | Tel : +351 1 7573141 (X: 2557) da Faculdade de Ciencias | Fax : +351 1 7577831 da Universidade de Lisboa | URL : http://www.fc.ul.pt/cap.html Campo Grande - Bloco C5 | ISDN : +351 1 7510003 1700 LISBOA / PORTUGAL | ____________________________________________________________________ ------ End of Forwarded Message

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New Document available: ripe-118
by RIPE NCC Document Annoucement Service 24 Aug '94

24 Aug '94

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A revised/new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-118 Title: List of Internet Registries in Europe Author: RIPE NCC Date: 24 August 1994 Format: PS=98337 TXT=51087 Obsoletes: ripe-111 Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: Old: Short content description ------------------------- ripe-118 is a list of European Local Internet Registries in Europe. It is intended to clarify who should be contacted for IP network numbers. FTP Access ---------- All RIPE documents and Internet RFC`s are available via anonymous FTP from host ftp.ripe.net. Type "ftp ftp.ripe.net". Login with username "anonymous" supplying your email address as the password. After logging in, type "cd ripe/docs/" followed by the command "get filename". The relevant filenames for this document are: ripe-118.txt for the ASCII version ripe-118.ps for the PostScript version Electronic Mail Retrieval of Documents -------------------------------------- Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to: mail-server(a)ripe.net with "send HELP" in the body text. RIPE NCC Interactive Information Server --------------------------------------- Type "telnet info.ripe.net". This is a menu driven service allows the document store to be browsed. After reading documents you are prompted as to whether you would like to receive an email copy of the document you have just read. If you would, you simply enter your email address and the document will be mailed to you. Below are details of alternative methods of access. Gopher Access ------------- The same documents are available via a "gopher" server at "gopher gopher.ripe.net". WAIS Access ----------- There is also a "WAIS" server at wais.ripe.net, where there is a WAIS index for RIPE documents "ripe-docs.src" WWW Access ---------- For those who wish to add this home page at the RIPE NCC to their own customized home pages, it can be accessed as: http://www.ripe.net MIME Mail Reader ---------------- Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant Mail Reader implementation to automatically retrieve the RIPE document by FTP or mail server. SEND ripe/docs/ripe-118.txt

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RIPE 18 actions status report - Second reminder (AUGUST)
by Anne Lord 24 Aug '94

24 Aug '94

Dear All, Below is the list of action items from the RIPE meeting (and previously). The actions are grouped into two different categories: "Done" and "Open". If you are on the list with an action against your name, would you please reply confirming the status of that action : ie. whether it has been "Done" or whether it is still "Open", with an expected approx date for completion, if possible. The last reminder will be sent out one week before the RIPE meeting. ie. soon. cheers, Anne ----------- Action List - RIPE 18 ===================== 1. Done Action: 16.6 Daniel Karrenberg Why return unused IP address space and be a good network citizen. Daniel to find volunteer to continue the work - obsolete. Action:18.1 Daniel Karrenberg Convey RIPE's concern at the disparity in criteria with respect to IP network number applications to the InterNIC - mailing list set up. Action:18.2 NCC Draft new standard European Internet Network Number Application Form (formerly ripe-107) in light of recommendations from the working group. Action: 18.6 NCC Set-up a mailing list for the connectivity WG. Action: 18.8 NCC Fold in comments from routing-wg to the ripe-81++ draft, send to RIPE list and release final version - June 28th. Action: 18.11 NCC Put A. Romao's paper "Taking Care of your Domain" into the RIPE document store as a RIPE document. 2. Not Done Action: 15.10 Daniel Karrenberg To propose new tags "created" and "assigned" to the database working group for consideration - pending. Action: 16.18 NCC Try to actually get the synchronisation of the various database going, using the recently agreed DB Exchange Format. Action is dependant on the NIC handle - pending. Action:17.1 Glenn Kowack Volunteered to write a paper for discussion which would focus on a future funding model for the RIPE NCC. Action:17.7 Wilfried Woeber, NCC To produce the necessary documentation for the new DB software. Action: 17.8 NCC To update and re-circulate the RIPE-Handle proposal and then go ahead with the implementation. Action: 17.11 NCC Investigate and propose a syntax-checking facility for the new database software. Action: 17.15 NCC Propose and implement a mechanism to properly keep track of individual updates of objects and automatic merge/ modification operations. Action:17.17 Bernhard Stockman Draft a new version of the EEPG Terms of Reference and distribute this on the mailing list ASAP. Action:17.18 Bernhard Stockman Draft a new version of the EEPG Workplan and distribute this on the EEPG mailing list ASAP. Action: 17.20 Oleg Tabarovsky To collect data on external lines and restrictions applying to each line that will form part of the Russian backbone. Send details to <oleg(a)ussr.eu.net> Action: 17.21 Rob Blokzijl Summarise in a paper discussions on RIPE re-org and publish before next meeting. Action:18.3 NCC Investigate monthly publication of error files on reverse zone files, similar to the host count error files. Action:18.4 Mike Norris Initiate discussion w.r.t the funding and charging for the service of a Local IR on the Local-IR discussion list and aim to summarise the discussions by way of a draft recommendation. Action: 18.5 Wilfried Woeber Post the CEEnet Initiative maps to the RIPE FTP server. Action: 18.7 Elise Gerich To supply a list of keywords allowed that can be used when querying the database. Action: 18.9 Cristina Vistoli, Ewald Jenisch, Michael Ernst (Hans Frese) To convert from ripe-60 to ripe-81 before July 1st, 1994. Action:18.10 Francis Dupont Circulate a proposed new domain object with the list of attributes necessary, marking others optional, maybe obsolete them in the future. Update to RIPE-049. Action: 18.12 Erik-Jan Bos Set up Workplan, Terms of Reference and Euro-FAQ, to be send to the mailing list. Tony Bates said he could help EJB on the FAQ. Action:18.13 Erik-Jan Bos Send to the mailing list where to find the worldwide PS file (done through these minutes). Action: 18.14 All members of the Mbone WG See if there is a local Mbone mailing list in your country, if not, create one and add this list to the European list, so that European information is passed on. Action: 18.15 Erik-Jan Bos Start up a central European Mbone FTP server. Action: 18.16 Everyone in the Mbone WG Send in your Mbone maps to Erik-Jan Bos. Action: 18.17 RIPE Chairs Promote a more aggressive "outreach" programme io introduce and encourage new service providers to join RIPE. Action: 18.18 RIPE Chairs Continue the RIPE restructuring discussions on the <new-ripe(a)ripe.net> mailing list focusing on restructuring the technical work of RIPE. Action:18.19 RIPE Chairs Develop a draft model for "new-RIPE" by the next RIPE meeting in September, with the final report ready by January meeting in 1995. ripe-m-18.txt

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Re: number of routes (was EOF Minutes)
by pichon＠rain.fr 19 Aug '94

19 Aug '94

> I note in the EOF minutes the following phrases: > > >For example, we know that the networks numbers from 193.x.x.x to 194.x.x.x > >are dedicated to europe and on the other end the networks numbers from > >198.x.x.x to 199.x.x.x are dedicated to the US. So, it seems to be possible > >to announce these routes with only four routes, but how ? > > I don't want to reduce your enthusiasm, but I would like to observe that we > currently have over 25000 routes. Reducing 25000 to 4 is an interesting > objective, but reducing it to e.g. 250 would already be a very good result. Or > even 2500, for that matter. > > One of the reasons why I do not believe in the "reduction down to 4" is that > it smacks of monopolies, implies a very unusual amount of coordination. It is > perfectly sensible for an European network provider to manage its own > international connectivity, without going through a particular "common fat > pipe". This is not only natural, but a very sound competition strategy. And it > does imply that this provider will announce its own reachability lists, > without aggregating them under the continent's prefix. > > Christian Huitema > In fact, my aim was not so ambitious. What I mean was that it was possible to replace these 4 blocks (about 1000 C class addresses) by four aggregates. Of course, it was out of question to concentrate all the internet addresses into four aggregates only. Marc

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EOF Minutes
by pichon＠rain.fr 18 Aug '94

18 Aug '94

Second European Operators Forum 15 July 1994 Chaired by Peter LOTHBERG Minute took by Marc PICHON Hosted by TRANSPAC FRANCE Montparnasse Tower Paris Dear EOFers, This is the minutes for the Paris eof meeting, 15 July 1994. Marc ============================================================================= Marc PICHON pichon(a)rain.fr Phone # 33 1 40 75 07 11 TRANSPAC Fax # 33 1 40 74 02 87 206, rue du faubourg Saint Honore 75008 Paris, France ============================================================================== PARTICIPANTS Name Organization Email Peter LOTHBERG PL EBONE roll(a)stupi.se Bernard TUY BT RENATER tuy(a)renater.fr Stephan BIESBROEK SB BELNET stephan(a)belnet.be Christophe CHAILLOT CC France Telecom chaillot(a)cedre.france-telecom.fr Marc PICHON MP TRANSPAC/RAIN pichon(a)rain.fr Van Phuong NGUYEN VN TRANSPAC/RAIN nguyen(a)laba.rain.fr Nigel TITLEY NT British Telecom NIGEL.TITLEY(a)AXION.BT.CO.UK Jean-Michel PLANCHE JP OLEANE jmp(a)oleane.net Keith MITCHELL KM PIPEX keith(a)pipex.net Frode GREISEN FG EBONE frode.greisen(a)uni-c.dk Alain PEGORARI AP France Telecom pegorari(a)cedre.france-telecom.fr Gilles ANTOINE GA TRANSPAC antoine(a)rain.fr 1 ADMIN 1.1 EXCUSES Excuses were received from Daniel KARRENBERG and Per Gregers Bilse. 1.2 MINUTEMAN Marc PICHON volunteered !!! 1.3 APPROVAL OF THE PREVIOUS MINUTE The Lars-Johan LIMAN's minute is approved. However, the word "NATIONAL" (chapter 1.6) should be removed. 2. TRAFFIC AND ROUTING EXCHANGE MODELS BETWEEN PROVIDERS After KM gave his talk(Emailed by KM the 12th of July 1994 on the eof-list) here are the comments made by the participants: FG: In EBONE we have such agreements but they could be a problem because of: - non English speaking people - the juridic aspects, however, they are still useful. PL: The scalling process is very important, we need guide, samples. PL: What does mean "Non-Transit" ? PL: How do we troubleshoot the network ? PL: Email is not an Internet Service. PL: The two parts should optimize the backbone usage. PL: CIX is not relevant but as an example. PL: No need to differentiate NATIONAL and INTERNATIONAL if we define what transit means. PL: How do we proceed to fix problems between operators? FG: Could we have example of real agreements that have been writing down, Are they public ? KM: It is difficult to describe every problems but we could describe a few as transit, third party, back up, .... So, it will be possible to solve local problems using standard. SB: Neutral Interconnection could solve most of the problems. KM: We need a document defining relations in neutral interconnect. How do we define a route server ? KM: Neutral Interconnect are not described in this document. Who pays for the facility management ? PL: By management we mean the guy who resets the router or take care of the modem. In Europe, the Phone Companies take care of the modem. KM: We expect a new version of this document before 6 weeks from now. Conclusion: KM and PL will work on this document. 3. Connectivity from Europe to other continents via the US. Canceled due to the absence of Bernhard Stockman. 4. WHAT ROLE WILL THE US NAPs PLAY IN THE GLOBAL INTERNET The NAPs (Network Access Point) will be operational by November 1994. The NAPs are sponsored by the US government but the customer will have to pay to be connected. Three NAPs are forecast: a) in California using SMDS technology b) in Chicago using ATM technology c) in New york using FDDI, Bridge and Ethernet technologies. At this time we do not know if the networks DOE and NSI are going to get a connection to a NAP and to which NAP. As the NSF Backbone will disappear soon the problem is now: in order to get full connectivity to the rest of the world to which NAP should we connect? A rule of thumb will be to follow the same politic as the big networks. 5. ROUTING REGISTRY ARCHITECTURES Canceled due to the absence of Daniel KARRENBERG. 6. D-GIX ISSUES, A COMMON INTERFACE BETWEEN NSPs. At this time the only routing technology that runs fine is based on routers. But now, there is a need for a more efficient and flexible technology, in particular the D-GIX. If you have a global exchange routing point you can change from one service provider to the other without spending too much money. Also, the route service has to act on the level two to allow source routing . But it is possible to overcome this drawback by putting a router on an ethernet with the ability to talk to other routers on the same ethernet. That way is used in Stockholm with five differents services providers and it is planned to be the same in Paris. The drawback of this configuration is that many people have to be contacted for any change in the configuration. 7. CIDR AGGREGATION OF LARGER BLOCKS The CIDR aggregation had permit to reduce the size of the routing tables. These aggregations were usually made by the regional service provider but now the internet is facing a new increase in the size of the routing table. To be more efficient this aggregation should be done at a higher level. For example, we know that the networks numbers from193.x.x.x to 194.x.x.x are dedicated to europe and on the other end the networks numbers from 198.x.x.x to 199.x.x.x are dedicated to the US. So, it seems to be possible to announce these routes with only four routes, but how ? The problem is under discussion but we need good suggestions. The route server cannot do any aggregation. We could renumber and by this way have as much routes as AS number (around 600). 8. EOF CHARTER SB: The EOF report should be sent also to the ripe-list to overcome the limitation of the eof-list. PL: The Internet is not only a US infracstructure so the EOF should be the European equivalent of the IEPG. FG: The EOF should act as a European part of the IEPG. FG: The words "Internet-related networking services" in the chapter "Open Membership" should be replace by "ip-service". FG: Also the sentence with "... touristic or educational interests ..." should be rephrased. FG: It will be better to separate the historical notes. NEXT AGENDA (needs suggestions) Election of a new Chairman. PL will stay chairman until the next meeting, meanwhile every proposition for a new chairman are welcome. TROUBLE TICKET HANDLING Touble management Procedure, use AS number, use prt.traceroute, ... INTERNET MAP How to draw the world starting from a router AS table. Next meeting 12 September 1994, from 9 to 12,30 in Lisbon just before the next ripe meeting.

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RARE Update 12
by dekker＠rare.nl 11 Aug '94

11 Aug '94

Apologies for the cross-posting A RARE UPDATE no. 12, July 1994 (Double Summer issue) COA Information RARE members gathered in Darmstadt, courtesy of ESOC, on 19 and 20 May 1994. Meetings included a joint meeting with the EARN Board of Directors dedicated to the proposed merger between RARE and EARN and subsequently the 29th CoA meeting. The joint meeting was perceived as very constructive. The Executive Committees of both organizations had provided the members with draft Statutes, Rules and Regulations, a Charter, a Technical Structure and a budget, encompassing proposals for membership fees and voting rights. The conclusion of the meeting was that the merger was feasible and should take place still during 1994 and this event is scheduled to take place at the event of the next (and last) RARE Council of Administration meeting on 20 October 1994, in Amsterdam. A call for a new name for the merged organization has been issued and several proposals are under investigation. During the CoA meeting, the RARE accounts were - as is traditional in May - presented and 1993 financial year was closed with the approval of the Council of Administration of the accounts 1993. Two networking organizations were unanimously accepted as RARE Full National Members: UNICOM-B from Bulgaria and UNIBEL from the Republic Belarus. The CoA has asked the Executive Committee to reorganize the RIPE NCC's management structure by the creation of a management body that is representative of the whole customer base in order to enhance cooperation with the RIPE NCC's commercial customers. This management body will be involved in the fund raising for the RIPE NCC. RARE Technical Programme The most recent main event for the RARE Technical Programme was the INET'94/JENC5 conference, organized by RARE and the Internet Society (ISOC), which took place in Prague in mid-June. All the RARE Working Groups took the opportunity to meet at the conference and were able to present their work to visitors from across the whole world. The Working Group on network operations (WG-NOP) was relaunched under its new convenor, Manfred Bogen. The new convenors of the Working Group on Information Services and User Support (WG-ISUS), Dave Hartland, and the Working Group on Network Security (WG-SEC), Ruediger Grimm, were able to introduce themselves in person. Also at the conference, the final stages of two RARE projects were reported. The task force on Computer Emergency Response Teams has presented plans for a European coordination centre for liaison between the front-line support organizations dealing with network security incidents. This is now being developed into a business plan (which will be the subject of a call for tender) for approval by the CoA on 20 October 1994. The project of the Working Group on Character Sets, which is developing software for conversion between a wide variety of coded character sets, was presented at the conference in the form of a live demonstration of the conversion program. Two new RARE Technical Reports are in the course of production. RTR12 on Writing O/R Names is a revision of the guidelines of the Working Group on Mail and Messaging (WG-MSG) which takes into account recent international standards in this area. RTR13 is a Status Report on Network Information Retrieval, a regularly-updated report which gives an overview of the "state of the art" in this field. RTR8, 9, 10 and 11 are currently available in printed form and can be ordered from the RARE Secretariat. RARE has recently entered into contracts with INRIA to work on the integration of directory-service access with the World Wide Web. RARE is also contributing to the support and development of the World Wide Web project which is seen as a key element in the development of information services for researchers. Looking to the future, RARE has launched its UPTURN (Umbrella Proposal for Telematics for Users and Research Networks) initiative to encourage participation in the European Union's Fourth Framework Programme. The Fourth Framework offers the possibility of European funding to assist in collaborative projects between commerce and researchers which will result in the delivery of telematic services which add to the productivity of industrial and academic researchers. RARE is providing information on the programme and is assisting in the information exchange between potential participants via its UPTURN mailing list. To join this list, send electronic mail to mailserver(a)rare.nl containing the text: SUBSCRIBE UPTURN your-first-name your-last-name replacing your-first-name and your-last-name as appropriate. Once you have joined the list, you can send mail to the other subscribers at the address upturn(a)rare.nl. A large, common RARE Working Groups Meeting is planned for December 1st and 2nd, in London, subsequent to EARN's NSC conference, November 28-30, 1994. Information about the UPTURN initiative, and about RARE's technical programme, can be obtained from: - ftp.rare.nl (by anonymous FTP) - gopher.rare.nl (by gopher) - http://www.rare.nl/ (by World Wide Web) Conferences and Seminars INET'94/JENC5 RARE's annual Joint European Networking Conference (JENC5) was held this year in Prague (Czech Republic), in conjunction with the Internet Society's (ISOC) annual INET conference. In every respect it was considered a great success. The participants numbered around 1200 and came from over a 100 different countries. The Czech Technical University and the Czech Educational and Scientific NETwork (CESNET) were responsible for the local arrangements. They furnished the terminal room with over 70 workstations, terminals and desktop computers with worldwide Internet connectivity. The technical staff also supported the connectivity in the demonstration area, where up to 12 highly advanced networking applications were presented to the public at large. With the support of various sponsors leased lines with a total capacity of 2.5 Mbit/s connected the conference centre to the rest of the world. This connectivity allowed interactive Mbone broadcasts of the plenary sessions of the conference to hundreds of sites in many countries. That the conference was a truly global event also became apparent in the more than 100 presentations and panel discussions in six different topical areas: user support and training, distributed applications, policy issues, regional issues, network engineering and network technology. The programme presented the developments in technology on ATM, Multimedia, IPng, Routing and Addressing, Network Information Tools, Broadband Technology, Performance Analysis, Electronic Documentation, Networked Simulation and Virtual Reality and Future Generations of Internet Technology, to mention only a few of the subjects covered. These new technological developments, and the exponential growth of networking in the last few years are bringing past side issues to the foreground. Policy issues are becoming more and more important with the increasing number of active Internet users and its broader scale. Also new user communities are emerging every day, and each of them has their own specific demands with regard to service, support and training. The conference proved a good discussion platform for all of these important issues. A full set of proceedings was distributed at the conference and a number of selected papers of high quality are being prepared for publication in a special issue of Computer Networks and ISDN Systems. Preceding the conference there was a one day tutorial on ATM (Asynchronous Transfer Mode), organized and sponsored by Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC). The week prior to the conference the workshop for Technologically Emerging Countries took place at the Czech Technical University. A selected number of participants (approx. 170) from around 80 countries had the unique opportunity to learn how to access and use worldwide Internet resources, as well as build and manage national networks in their own countries. The Soros Foundations funded participation of many Eastern European and CIS attendees. RARE, with the financial support of NATO, took direct responsibility for the Network Navigation and Services Track. JENC6 With the Prague event still fresh in memory, preparations have already been made for next year's conference that will take place in the new Dan Panorama Convention Center in Tel Aviv, Israel from 15-18 May 1995. The Programme Committee, under the leadership of Jose Barabera (FUNDESCO, Spain), has already prepared a Call for Papers that is available from jenc6-sec(a)rare.nl. The conference theme, "Bringing the World to the Desktop", may be looked upon as a metaphor for two major changes under way: - the increasing penetration of daily research/educational work and practices by networks and networking technology; - the new set of requirements that desktop networking implies for the underlying technology and the structures of service provision. The goal of this conference is to survey the current situation in networking, to illuminate major unresolved issues and technologies, but most of all to stimulate discussion on possible future directions. The local arrangements are taken care of by ILAN. Further information For more information about RARE contact: Internet: raresec(a)rare.nl or kiers(a)rare.nl X.400: C=nl; ADMD=400net; PRMD=surf; O=rare; S=kiers X.400: C=nl; ADMD=400net; PRMD=surf; O=rare; S=raresec fileserver: gopher.rare.nl, ftp.rare.nl or http://www.rare.nl/

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European email users
by Denis.Russell＠ncl.ac.uk 08 Aug '94

08 Aug '94

Does anyone have any figures for the number of email users in Europe? (I know about Marten's DNS counts, but this is a different question). Denis. Denis Russell email: Denis.Russell(a)ncl.ac.uk Computing Service Tel: (+44) 91 222 8243 University of Newcastle Fax: (+44) 91 222 8765 Newcastle upon Tyne Telex: 53654 UNINEW G NE1 7RU ENGLAND

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