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Re: Abbreviations (was: EOF-7 meeting minutes)
by Jon Crowcroft 29 Oct '95

29 Oct '95

see http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/jon/euro.html for the summary so far please inform me of any errors of ommission or commission (or spelling:-) thanks for all your input... cheers jon

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EOF-7 meeting minutes
by Havard.Eidnes＠runit.sintef.no 25 Oct '95

25 Oct '95

Hi, I had promised to send out the final minutes to a wider audience than to the EOF list only earlier, but it fell through the cracks so some of this may be old news by now. But here it is, anyway. Note that the new proposed version of the EOF charter is appended at the end of the minutes. Regards, - Håvard -*- Text -*- European Operators Forum Minutes of the 7th EOF meeting Havard Eidnes Held at KTH, Stockholm, Friday 14 July 1995 NORDUnet 20 Jul 1995 v2 (draft) ------------------------------ Attendees: Peter Lothberg STUPI roll(a)stupi.se Havard Eidnes NORDUnet he(a)runit.sintef.no Keith Mithcell PIPEX keith(a)pipex.net Anders Lowinger SWIPnet lowis(a)swip.net Per Bilse EUnet bilse(a)eu.net Rudiger Volk Deutsche Telekom rv(a)nic.dtag.de Marc Pichon Transpac/RAIN pichon(a)rain.fr Eric Malmstrom Transpac Sweden eric.malmstrom(a)transpac.se Magnus Risberg Transpac Sweden magnus(a)transpac.net Willem van der Scheun SARA scheun(a)sara.nl Francis Dupont INRIA Francis.Dupont(a)inria.fr Wilfried Woeber VUCC/ACOnet woeber(a)cc.univie.ac.at Andrew Partan UUnet/Alternat asp(a)uunet.uu.net Daniel Karrenberg RIPE NCC dfk(a)ripe.net Philip Bridge Unisource Switzerland bridge(a)dial-switch.ch Ola Johansson Unisource Sweden ola.johansson(a)unisource.se Jan-Olof "Moon" Jemnemo Telia, Sweden moon(a)intg.telia.se Tony Hain ESnet alh(a)es.net Yakov Rekhter Cisco yakov(a)cisco.com Elise Gerich Merit epg(a)merit.edu Bernhard Stockman KTH boss(a)it.kth.se ------------------------------ 1. Welcome PL welcomed everyone to KTH. 2. Minute taker HE was volunteered to take the minutes. 3. Agenda bashing No noted additions to the agenda at this time. AOB is still on the agenda. 4. Apologies None received. 5. Previous minutes Francis Dupont had noticed two typos in the attendance list. No other comments, so the minutes were approved with these corrections. The approved minutes will be re-circulated to the EOF and the RIPE lists. 6. European update Dante/EMPB There was noone present who could officially speak for Dante. The contract for the EMPB network expires in October -95, and Dante has during the spring had a call for tender out and has chosen British Telecom (BT) as the supplier of the follow-on network. The major uncertainty centered around whether the BT- provider follow-on network to EMPB would be a private network to be provided to Dante administratively managed by Dante or whether BT under the contract was free to add commercial customers to their network. Willem van der Scheun had got the impression that the model would probably basically be the same as today, i.e. it would remain a private network. Per Bilse had gotten the opposite impression, i.e. that BT could add other customers to the network if they might choose to do so, i.e. a model more similar to the old ANS / NSFnet model. Noone was present who could confirm or deny any of these. Theis item would probably be brought up during the IEPG meeting on Sunday, where hopefully someone with authoritative information would be present who could clarify this issue. EUnet EUnet has continued to upgrade it's network. They now have 2 x E1 to the US, and only a single international 64kbit/s circuit remains in Amsterdam (Portugal). There has been a recent change in the management of EUnet. Other than that, things are progressing more or less in the "buisness as usual" direction. EBONE Mostly buisness as usual. There has been some recent upgrades: there are now 3Mbit/s (1+2) Stockholm - Paris and 4Mbit/s (2x2) to Amsterdam. EBONE is looking towards establishing an E3-based backbone. PIPEX Keith Mitchell presented an overview of the PIPEX network. Details can be found at http://www.pipex.net/network/connectivity.html Of notable international and european significance is 3 x T1 links to the US east coast, London-Stockholm at 256 kbit/s and London-Paris at 2x128 kbit/s. PIPEX is planning on using VSAT in the eastern countries. They also have a link London-Johannesburg, and as far as they know they are the first ones to implement a European-African link. They also have a planned link to Ghana. The UK-internal network is now mostly 2 Mbit/s based. The notable grief they have at the moment is that they reach Dante customers and EUnet customers via the US. NORDUnet Havard Eidnes gave a brief update of NORDUnet's expansion plans. The current intra-nordic network is based on 2Mbit/s lines with 2 lines going to Finland (except Iceland which is at 256 kbit/s). The central nordic region will approximately in October be operational with an 8 Mbit/s star out of Stockholm to Oslo, Helsinki, and Copenhagen. We have also asked for a price quote for an upgrade of the line to Iceland to 1 Mbit/s. In Iceland there are some organizational changes going on -- the former Suris cooperative is being replaced by a new company called "Internet Iceland" (IntIS for short) with basically the same constituency as the old Suris cooperation but with a more solid organization. NORDUnet will subscribe to the new BT-operated Dante network service at 2 Mbit/s. NORDUnet is in addition thinking of implementing other international circuits in cooperation with other networks. Although not said explicitly at the meeting, it should be noted that NORDUnet is buying access to 24 Mbit/s of the new trans-atlantic 34/45 Mbit/s service and that the NSF is doing the same from the other end. RIPE NCC The RIPE NCC is currently getting it's main transit services from SURFnet who use the Dante services. However, they also peer with EUnet, Dante and EBONE directly to reach customers of those providers, and are willing to peer with anyone else showing up where the RIPE NCC is present. Therefore, critisism that the RIPE NCC does not have a neutral position relative to service providers can now be laid to rest. 7. Ten34 impact on the non-R&D part of Europe The two persons who had been contacted by PL were unable to give a presentation. Thus, noone present could talk in authority concerning the Ten34 initiative, so the following is based on second-hand information: In the 4th european research programme there will be funds available for implementing some sort of high-speed networking for R&D in Europe. This combined with the general need for a better general intra-european infrastructure for R&D has spurred the Ten34 initiative. The members of the Ten34 initiative are the major R&D networks in Europe. It should be mentioned that other parties are after the EU funds as well, notably the "James" initiative which is largely comprised of european PTTs who want to continue the current ATM-based pilot network. The Ten34 constituency does not appear to think that the James initiative contributes a workable solution to the problem the R&D networks are facing (basically because ATM is seen as "too early" technology-maturity-wise, and what is needed is a production network). The EU has indicated that co-funding of a 34 Mbit/s based network could be forthcoming if offers for circuits at prices equal to 4 times 2 Mbit/s would be forthcoming. Should the Ten34 initiative be realized the network will have to maintain an AUP (or at least restrictions on direct "customer" connections) since it will receive public funds paying parts of the cost (at least initially). The concern raised by the group was how this would be integrated into the rest of the existing and forthcoming Internet infra- structure in Europe. Firstly, it is probably premature at this stage to expect this detailed planning -- the rumours seemed to indicate Ten34 to be between 12 and 24 months away if it would be realized. The group then suggested a short recommendation should be written expressing the issues to be taken into account in this arena when planning the network. ACTION: Keith Mitchell and Havard Eidnes to draft a document highlighting the issues to be considered concerning the impact of the Ten34 network on the general Internet in Europe. 8. Stockholm-US 34/45 Mbit/s service Peter Lothberg gave a short presentation of the details of the recently activated 34/45 Mbit/s service between Stockholm and the US. The implementation work had taken approximately 24 days, and was somewhat complicated. Detailed pictures showing the equipment and cable paths were shown. PL is looking at getting backup of this circuit on the IP level with another european country with a high-speed link. 9. NY/Pennsauken Euro-NAP The 34/45 Mbit/s circuit terminates in the NY NAP facility in Pennsauken (New Jersey). In order to make it possible for other european service providers to connect to the US at high speeds the circuit is not directly attached to the NY NAP switch but to a separate FDDI LAN. PL expected another undisclosed european party to connect to the NY NAP at E3 speed sometime in September. 10. Connectint to the former USSR Tony Hain of ESnet is planning two links into Russia near Moscow at 64kbit/s via satellite to an european termnation point with 64kbit/s onwards to ESnet, and wanted to get some impression of what others are doing wrt. networking into the former USSR. The result was that the people present could inform of a number of links going into different parts of the former USSR from different service providers. The picture is dominated by a lot of more or less un-coordinated efforts, which tends to leave one left with a mildly chaotic impression. The solution recommended for the time being would thus be "do it yourselves". It was noted that RIPE has a working group collecting information about connectivity into the eastern and central european countries (the connectivity working group), they have a number of documents stored in the RIPE document store at the RIPE NCC, and the working group is still active. If any new information surfaces, please submit it to the connectivity working group for inclusion in the RIPE document store. Any questions about this should be directed to <ncc(a)ripe.net>. 11. European interconnects -- status LINX (London InterNet eXchange) The LINX had the initial members: Connected bandwidth PIPEX 10 Mbit/s JANET/UKERNA 18 Mbit/s BTnet 2 -> 10 Mbit/s EUnet/GB 512 kbit/s Demon 2 Mbit/s Recent requests and/or additions: Netkonect, Sprint International, Technocom, INSnet, CableTel. There has been lots more growth in the number of providers wishing to connect to the LINX than expected -- there comes in a valid new request about once every 14 days. When it was first set up there was no formal organization to handle requests for new connections, this apparently needs to be fixed. Implementation-wise they have a Cisco Catalyst ethernet switch at the moment. A second Catalyst and possibly an FDDI ring would be added soon. Other information about the LINX can be found at http://www.linx.net/linx/ KM expressed his satisfaction with Telehouse as a facilities manager: they're not an ISP with it's own agenda in the Internet provider buisness and they are not a phone company with the traditional mindset and restrictions that implies. F-GIX (France) Noone from France Telecom or Renter were present, Mark Pichon gave a short orientation. There is currently an interconnect point where Renater, Oleane, and IN2P3 are connected. Transpac/RAIN has tried to connect to the current exchange point but a response to this request has been unexplicably delayed. There is a proposal for establishing a new exchange point in Paris, however the location has not been decided yet (will probably be decided at the end of the month). Stockholm, D-GIX Currently implemented with 2 Cisco Catalysts and an FDDI ring with plans to add an FDDI switch. Metropolitan Fiber Systems will connect to the exchange point in Stockholm with a layer-2 connection, and will thus be able to extend the geographical coverage of the exchange point to the other POPs MFS has in Stockholm. (This is similar to what they have done at the MAE-East and MAE-West exchange points.) Rule for connecting: must have peer agreement with at least two of the others already present to connect. Amsterdam There is currently an initiative to add another exchange point in Amsterdam in addition to "IBR-lan". Some of the motivation for this move is to not have a single ISP be in control of the exchange point. Geneva As noone present could talk authoritatively about the Geneva exchange point the following is at best second-hand. There was mention that at least part of the exchange point at CERN would be moved to BT premises -- this is in connection with the local implementation of the access ports to the BT-operated EMPB follow-on service from Dante. Whether this move includes the other parts of the CERN exchange point was not clear. Italy There are 2 exchange points currently: one with local co-location (in Milan?) and one using Frame Relay. There has been little public information about these, DFK commented that this may stem from their culture which basically says "don't talk until your're ready". Germany There is or will be an exchange point between at least three German service providers. The rules for connecting to the exchange point are at best unclear, some parties have been turned away with no explanation. There is also an existing de-facto exchange point at the ECRC installation. Ruediger Volk expressed his desire to press for someone to establish an open exchange point somewhere in Germany. Finland A message from Petri Ojala in EUnet/Finland had sent the following message to PL: FICIX (Finnish Commercial Internet Exchange) - Operational since December 1993. National interconnect point for finnish Internet service providers, current members are EUnet Finland, FUNET, Datanet (Telecom Finland), LanLink (Local PTT's Consortium) and Clinet (since June 1995). EUnet Finland has been appointed to manage the FICIX. - FICIX operations has been smoothly and practically trouble-free, currently BGP4 is used between all the provider routers. The FICIX media is being upgraded from shared ethernet to switched ethernet. FICIX members have from 2 to 10 Mbit/s connectivity to their own backbones. Norway HE gave a short presentation. The NIX (Norwegian Internet eXchange) has been in operation since the summer of 1993. The NIX is housed at the University of Oslo, which is also a Uninett POP (Uninett is the norwegian R&D network organization). It currently connects Uninett, EUnet/NO, TelePost, Oslonett, DAXnet, and PowerTech, with at least one coming. The purpose is to contain norwegian traffic inside Norway, one of the premises for connecting is that one have Norway-external connectivity via other means than at the NIX. Ireland There is a plan to set up an interconnect point and establish a local Irish operator's forum. Contact: Mike Norris. 12. Focus on three initial exchange points in Europe? PL sketched the problem faced by international and inter- continental Internet service providers who would want to "connect to Europe". To make it possible for such service providers to enter the scene the number of "top-level" Europan exchange point should be limited. The idea is also partly to create a market by defining the product. DFK pointed out that while there is consensus that exchange points are a good thing and should be promoted, this issue fo the EOF designating 'major' exchange points had been discussed before and that it would probably be difficult to establish a consensus as most service providers would like to have an european exchange point "in their own backyard". Some objective criteria and possibly metrics for choosing exchange points could be developed, however, setting the threshold would again be difficult. After a short discussion it was agreed that as a first minimal step today's system should be clearly and consistently documented and e.g. stored in the RIPE document store. ACTION: DFK to write up a proposal for a skeleton for describing an exhange point. ACTION: PL to write a recommendation or guidelines for intercontinental service providers who want to connect their networks in Europe. 13. EOF charter The EOF charter has not really been formally approved yet. The July 1994 version was presented together with requests for additions or deletions from that round of comments (partly with these comments merged into the document). There were no comments to the modified charter. The new modified charter is attached below. 14. Net-39 experiment Moved to IEPG meeting on Sunday 15. MBONE & PIM experiments Andrew Partan talked briefly about their experience in trying to use native multicast on the Cisco routers. The basic goal for this excersise is to only get one copy of a given multicast packet on each link of their infrastructure. They have partly tried to separate the unicast and multicast routing, and are doing this by running DVMRP in addition to PIM to establish a separate RPF lookup table (maintained by DVMRP). Currently the service is CPU bounded on the Cisco routers since the multicast routing and fowarding is process-switched in the Cisco 10.3 code (11.0 will add fast-switching). Yakov Rekhter asked whether a knob to control the CPU consumption and/or bandwidth utilization on a given link caused by multicast to be controlled; the general answer was "yes, this would be useful" -- e.g. some parties already use the bandwidth- limiting feature in mrouted and the corresponding kernel multicast forwarding code. One conclusion from this excercise is that the tools for handling external multicast routing simply are not there yet. 16. Route flap damping Cisco has lately (in a branch of 10.3) implemented Curtiz Villamisar's proposed modifications to BGP to support dampening route flapping on the Internet. The paper describing this can be found in ftp://ftp.ans.net/pub/papers/route-dampen.ps Andrew Partan reported that Alternet has turned on the feature ("router bgp xxx", "bgp dampen"), and both the algorithm and the implementation work. The net effect of this code is to slow the propagation of changes for a given prefix if it has been flapping, so any changes (transitions up or down) will take longer to propagate to remote places. It was noted that there is no "preferred state" for a route, so it can equally well be held down as being kept up longer than earlier. 17. Scaling issues: how small can an ISP be? Keith Mitchell reported his experiences in that several small sites and/or service providers are buying cheap circuits to the US and going to the LINX to be connected there. This happens partly because of the disparity between the prices of international circuits going to the US as compared to intra- european circuits (again caused by the vast difference in the telecommunications regulatory regimes on the two sides of the Atlantic). Common for lots of these small sites is also that they are relatively uninformed of how to set up their service properly with external routing etc., and the issue was raised about how many such service providers the Internet could acommodate. DFK commented that 'regulation' of who can be a service provider at any level is impossible without being accused of anti- competitive practices or even worse encourage moves towards government regulation. The discussion on this and related points will continue at the IEPG meeting on Sunday. 18. AOB DFK asked about the "hall of fame" / "hall of shame" messages sent out recently concerning use of CIDR, and asked how often people would like to have them and for other suggestions for improvements. It was agreed that the names of the ASes injecting the prefixes should be named and that these should be sent out monthly in connection with the host count statistics. DFK asked about how many actively maintained the contents of the RIPE routing registry, the response was "not very many". There is currently no script to compare the actual BGP routing tables with the contents of the routing registry contents. 19. Next meeting The next RIPE meeting has been moved to October 11-13 (the dutch minister of education pulled rank and got the usual RIPE meeting room at NIKHEF), so the next EOF meeting would be held on the 11th in Amsterdam. ------------------------------ European Operators Forum Charter Glenn Kowack et al. Version 1.1 14 July 1995 Technical Mission The mission of the European Operators Forum (EOF) is technical: to provide a continuing environment in which European national and international service providers may meet as a group to discuss operational issues. It will also serve as the regional operators forum for Europe under the IEPG umbrellar. Open Membership Membership in the European Operators Forum (EOF) is open to any person representing a national or international provider of IP services in the European region. As meetings will be very focused on the issues at hand, persons with only educational interests should not attend. It is hoped that all service providers will actively participate in the EOF. Participating organizations are encouraged to send only a few representatives to each meeting, and to maintain as much continuity of representation as possible. Open Process The EOF does not formally create policies, standards, or requirements. It's activities are limited to discussion and consensus building. All EOF minutes and documents will be in the public record. Organisation As present there is no plan for a formal structure, secretariat, or dues, save for the appointment of a Chairman. It is expected that support will be provided by member organisations and the RIPE NCC. EOF meetings will be held as required. Relationship to RIPE and other Organisations The EOF will work in cooperation with RIPE as a working group. In addition, the EOF will act as the European part of the IEPG. It is critical that no single organization or type of network service provider have undue influence on EOF activities or directions.

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Re: EOF-7 meeting minutes
by Havard.Eidnes＠runit.sintef.no 25 Oct '95

25 Oct '95

> > Unit for measuring amounts of data. Amounts to 1.048.576 bits. For > > more information, see http://www.BITNET/ :-). > > I know this has been discussed countless times on the net... i > think that one megabit of trasmissive data is 10^6 ... :) but > the URL is nice! Unfortunately I think Liman is right this time. The term explained was "Mbit", not "Mbit/s". The former is for measuring amounts of data, conventionally 2^20 bits, the latter is a unit for measuring "transmission speed", conventionally 10^6 bits/s. - Håvard

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Re: EOF-7 meeting minutes
by Paolo Bevilacqua 25 Oct '95

25 Oct '95

On Oct 25, 4:18pm, Lars-Johan Liman wrote: > Subject: Re: EOF-7 meeting minutes > ... > > Unit for measuring amounts of data. Amounts to 1.048.576 bits. For > more information, see http://www.BITNET/ :-). > I know this has been discussed countless times on the net... i think that one megabit of trasmissive data is 10^6 ... :) but the URL is nice! /pab

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New Document available: ripe-134
by RIPE NCC Document Annoucement Service 25 Oct '95

25 Oct '95

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A revised/new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-134 Title: RIPE NCC Revenue & Charging 1996 Author: Daniel Karrenberg, RIPE NCC Date: 25 October 1995 Format: PS=122444 TXT=22656 Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: See also: ripe-132, ripe-133 Old: Short content description ------------------------- This memorandum describes the RIPE NCC revenue plan and charging model for the year 1996. The companion document "RIPE NCC Activities & Expenditure 1996" describes the activities funded. This document was drafted by the RIPE NCC and subse- quently amended according to the decisions of the NCC Contributors Committee about the "tariff struc- ture" as per point 3.3 of the committee's terms of reference. See the committee minutes (ripe-132) for detailed information about the decision making pro- cess. TERENA has subsequently approved the tariff structure. FTP Access ---------- All RIPE documents and Internet RFC`s are available via anonymous FTP from host ftp.ripe.net. Type "ftp ftp.ripe.net". Login with username "anonymous" supplying your email address as the password. After logging in, type "cd ripe/docs/" followed by the command "get filename". The relevant filenames for this document are: ripe-134.txt for the ASCII version ripe-134.ps for the PostScript version Electronic Mail Retrieval of Documents -------------------------------------- Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to: mail-server(a)ripe.net with "send HELP" in the body text. RIPE NCC Interactive Information Server --------------------------------------- Type "telnet info.ripe.net". This is a menu driven service allows the document store to be browsed. After reading documents you are prompted as to whether you would like to receive an email copy of the document you have just read. If you would, you simply enter your email address and the document will be mailed to you. Below are details of alternative methods of access. Gopher Access ------------- The same documents are available via a "gopher" server at "gopher gopher.ripe.net". WAIS Access ----------- There is also a "WAIS" server at wais.ripe.net, where there is a WAIS index for RIPE documents "ripe-docs.src" WWW Access ---------- For those who wish to add this home page at the RIPE NCC to their own customized home pages, it can be accessed as: http://www.ripe.net MIME Mail Reader ---------------- Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant Mail Reader implementation to automatically retrieve the RIPE document by FTP or mail server. SEND ripe/docs/ripe-134.txt

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New Document available: ripe-133
by RIPE NCC Document Annoucement Service 25 Oct '95

25 Oct '95

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A revised/new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-133 Title: RIPE NCC Activities & Expenditure 1996 Author: Daniel Karrenberg, RIPE NCC Date: 25 October 1995 Format: PS=221392 TXT=42640 Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: See also: ripe-125, ripe-132, ripe-134 Old: Short content description ------------------------- This memorandum describes the RIPE NCC activities and associated expenditure for the year 1996. The companion document "RIPE NCC Revenue & Charging 1996" (ripe-134) describes ways to generate the nec- essary revenue. The "RIPE NCC Activity Plan" (ripe-125) defines the activities of the RIPE NCC desired by the RIPE com- munity. Based on this activity plan the RIPE NCC has drafted this document which was subsequently amended according to the decisions of the NCC Con- tributors Committee as per point 3.2 of the commit- tee's terms of reference. For details about those decisions see the minutes of the Spetember 1995 meeting of the committee (ripe-132). TERENA has subseuently approved the expenditure budget as pro- posed. FTP Access ---------- All RIPE documents and Internet RFC`s are available via anonymous FTP from host ftp.ripe.net. Type "ftp ftp.ripe.net". Login with username "anonymous" supplying your email address as the password. After logging in, type "cd ripe/docs/" followed by the command "get filename". The relevant filenames for this document are: ripe-133.txt for the ASCII version ripe-133.ps for the PostScript version Electronic Mail Retrieval of Documents -------------------------------------- Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to: mail-server(a)ripe.net with "send HELP" in the body text. RIPE NCC Interactive Information Server --------------------------------------- Type "telnet info.ripe.net". This is a menu driven service allows the document store to be browsed. After reading documents you are prompted as to whether you would like to receive an email copy of the document you have just read. If you would, you simply enter your email address and the document will be mailed to you. Below are details of alternative methods of access. Gopher Access ------------- The same documents are available via a "gopher" server at "gopher gopher.ripe.net". WAIS Access ----------- There is also a "WAIS" server at wais.ripe.net, where there is a WAIS index for RIPE documents "ripe-docs.src" WWW Access ---------- For those who wish to add this home page at the RIPE NCC to their own customized home pages, it can be accessed as: http://www.ripe.net MIME Mail Reader ---------------- Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant Mail Reader implementation to automatically retrieve the RIPE document by FTP or mail server. SEND ripe/docs/ripe-133.txt

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New Document available: ripe-132
by RIPE NCC Document Annoucement Service 25 Oct '95

25 Oct '95

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A revised/new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-132 Title: 2nd Meeting of the RIPE NCC Contributors Committee Minutes Author: RIPE NCC Date: 25 October 1995 Format: PS=212930 TXT=42214 Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: See also: ripe-133, ripe-134 Old: Short content description ------------------------- Minutes of the 2nd Meeting of the RIPE NCC Contributors Committee held on September 1st 1995. Includes decisions about 1996 NCC Activities and Charging. FTP Access ---------- All RIPE documents and Internet RFC`s are available via anonymous FTP from host ftp.ripe.net. Type "ftp ftp.ripe.net". Login with username "anonymous" supplying your email address as the password. After logging in, type "cd ripe/docs/" followed by the command "get filename". The relevant filenames for this document are: ripe-132.txt for the ASCII version ripe-132.ps for the PostScript version Electronic Mail Retrieval of Documents -------------------------------------- Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to: mail-server(a)ripe.net with "send HELP" in the body text. RIPE NCC Interactive Information Server --------------------------------------- Type "telnet info.ripe.net". This is a menu driven service allows the document store to be browsed. After reading documents you are prompted as to whether you would like to receive an email copy of the document you have just read. If you would, you simply enter your email address and the document will be mailed to you. Below are details of alternative methods of access. Gopher Access ------------- The same documents are available via a "gopher" server at "gopher gopher.ripe.net". WAIS Access ----------- There is also a "WAIS" server at wais.ripe.net, where there is a WAIS index for RIPE documents "ripe-docs.src" WWW Access ---------- For those who wish to add this home page at the RIPE NCC to their own customized home pages, it can be accessed as: http://www.ripe.net MIME Mail Reader ---------------- Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant Mail Reader implementation to automatically retrieve the RIPE document by FTP or mail server. SEND ripe/docs/ripe-132.txt

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Contributors Committee Minutes, Documents
by Daniel Karrenberg 25 Oct '95

25 Oct '95

Dear colleagues, since we are getting frequent questions about the contributors committee minutes as well as the 1996 Activities and Charging I will publish these three documents as RIPE documents to make them more easily accessible. The minutes include all comments we have received. The documents include all amendments according to the decisions by the committee. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Regards Daniel Karrenberg RIPE NCC Manager

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Re: Abbreviations (was: EOF-7 meeting minutes)
by Havard.Eidnes＠runit.sintef.no 25 Oct '95

25 Oct '95

Hi, here are some of the expansions / explanations that correspond to what could loosely be referred to as "my neck of the woods". I have touched on some not directly under my hat as well, with the danger of possible misrepresentation. Are you collecting the expansions for inclusion in some web page? Note that there is a general issue here of what to include and what to leave out (either intentionally or by accident). Tread carefully here... > FICIX Finnish Commercial Internet eXchange. > FUNET The finnish academic & research network organization. > GIX Global Internet eXchange. Note: some confusion may arise here, if you see the term "the GIX", this usually means the MAE-East Internet exchange point in Washington DC, USA, which could also be referred to as a "de-facto NAP". There has been plans to physically distribute the GIX and thereby create a "D-GIX". The technical/strategic plan is to create a market for providing bandwidth at layer 2 between the individual GIX installations. However, this has not yet happened, at least not as an operational infra- structure. The internet exchange located at KTH is however usually referred to as "the Stockholm D-GIX" or "the D-GIX at KTH" or possibly simply "the D-GIX" (which could be confusing). > IntIS Internet Iceland. This is the successor of SURIS, which used to be the academic and research network in Iceland. > KTH The Royal institute of technology in Stockholm (really "Kungliga Tekniska Högskolan"). > MFS As I do not think there are any on the RIPE list from this company (?), I can say a bit with the danger of being inaccurate: Metropolitan Fiber Systems. They are perhaps most known in our circles for operating the physcal infrastructure of the MAE- East internet exchange, and are also involved in MAE-West. This is a PTT-style organization with its outspring in the US, however they are beginning to establish themselves with a presence in cities in europe as well (I've heard of Stockholm and Paris, I'm sure there are more). > NORDUnet The network service provider which has as its primary goal to take care of the common needs for international Internet connectivity for the academic and research networks in the nordic countries. > Oslonett Commercial Internet service provider in Norway, with "home base" in Oslo (as the name should indicate). Currently has a large chunk of the dial-up Internet access market in Norway. > PowerTech Commercial Internet service provider in Norway, also in Oslo. Seems to aim at the lower end of the market. > STUPI Peter Lothberg's private consulting company. > SWIPnet Commercial internet service provider in Sweden. Daughter company of Tele2, one of the PTTs in Sweden. > Telia One of the PTTs in Sweden. This PTT was at one time the only PTT in Sweden, and is (AFAIK) by far the largest in the current swedish "general" PTT market. > Uninett The norwegian academic & research network organization. > Ommissions are simply gaps in the original minutes... Eh? The minutes were not intended to contain a complete list of abbreviations for the european Internet networking scene. - Håvard

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Re: EOF-7 meeting minutes
by Dave Morton 25 Oct '95

25 Oct '95

>These minutes had so many acronyms in it that were unfamiliar to US members >of the Internet community that Ole Jacobson of Connexions suggest I >write an article about the European Internet scene.... > >So I'm asking people as good cyber-citezens to help out > >Basically, a glossary (that would end up on a web site or two) is all >thats needed for now > >if someone knows of a searchable website that i can hit first without >bothering you'all, let me know (and i do know about 50% of the thigns >below, but I want to get them accurately describves by them that owns >them!) > >here are the terms: > >They fall into 3 basic categories > >1/ Network >2/ Organisation (ISP or other) >3/ Unknown > >ACOnet >BTnet >CableTel >Clinet >Dante >DAXnet >EBONE >ECRC Jon - check out http://www.ecrc.de/networking/ for ECRC. Cheers, Dave >EMPB >EU >EUnet >FICIX >FUNET >GIX >IBR >INRIA >INSnet >IntIS >InterNet >KTH >LINX >LanLink >MFS >Mbit >NIKHEF >NORDUnet >Netkonect >Oslonett >PIPEX >PTT's >PNO >PowerTech >STUPI >SURFnet >SWIPnet >Technocom >Telia >Ten34 >Transpac >UKERNA >UUnet >Uninett >Unisource >VUCC > > >Ommissions are simply gaps in the original minutes...

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New Document available: ripe-131
by RIPE NCC Document Annoucement Service 23 Oct '95

23 Oct '95

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A revised/new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-131 Title: The Advisory Attribute Author: David Kessens, RIPE NCC Date: 23 October 1995 Format: Obsoletes: ripe-130 Obsoleted by: Updates: ripe-181 Updated by: Old: Short content description ------------------------- Adds 'advisory' attributes to 'aut-num' objects. Use with care. FTP Access ---------- All RIPE documents and Internet RFC`s are available via anonymous FTP from host ftp.ripe.net. Type "ftp ftp.ripe.net". Login with username "anonymous" supplying your email address as the password. After logging in, type "cd ripe/docs/" followed by the command "get filename". The relevant filenames for this document are: ripe-131.txt for the ASCII version ripe-131.ps for the PostScript version Electronic Mail Retrieval of Documents -------------------------------------- Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to: mail-server(a)ripe.net with "send HELP" in the body text. RIPE NCC Interactive Information Server --------------------------------------- Type "telnet info.ripe.net". This is a menu driven service allows the document store to be browsed. After reading documents you are prompted as to whether you would like to receive an email copy of the document you have just read. If you would, you simply enter your email address and the document will be mailed to you. Below are details of alternative methods of access. Gopher Access ------------- The same documents are available via a "gopher" server at "gopher gopher.ripe.net". WAIS Access ----------- There is also a "WAIS" server at wais.ripe.net, where there is a WAIS index for RIPE documents "ripe-docs.src" WWW Access ---------- For those who wish to add this home page at the RIPE NCC to their own customized home pages, it can be accessed as: http://www.ripe.net MIME Mail Reader ---------------- Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant Mail Reader implementation to automatically retrieve the RIPE document by FTP or mail server. SEND ripe/docs/ripe-131.txt

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NCC seeks Business Manager
by Daniel Karrenberg 11 Oct '95

11 Oct '95

Dear colleagues, it has turned out to be impossible for all practical purposes to find suitable candidates for deputy NCC manager with a solid Internet service provision background. With hindsight this is of course not surprising given the current demand for such people. On suggestion of the contributors committee we have therefore decided to look for a business manager who will take responsibility for the business aspects of running the NCC. This will allow the NCC manager (me) to concentrate more on the technical aspects of the work. As you can imagine I am quite keen to have this person on board as soon as possible. Could you please be so kind and give the advert below the appropriate circulation and point good people to it. Thank you very much Daniel Karrenberg RIPE: Coordinating the Internet in Europe. The RIPE Network Coordination Centre provides coordination services to all European Internet service providers. Due to the continuing explosive growth of the European Internet there is an immediate opening at the RIPE NCC for a Business Manager Duties The business manager will be responsible for NCC finances, reporting, general customer relations and some specific services. The business manager will be closely involved in planning, budgeting, hiring personnel and the development of new projects and services. The specific responsibilities of the business manager include: o the Quarterly RIPE NCC Reports o the Annual Report o budgetary control o customer billing o customer training programme o support the NCC manager in planning and budgeting o identify the need for and plan new projects and services Essential Qualifications o work experience in an international environment o experience with financial controls o very good knowledge of written and spoken English o good communication skills o ability to learn and use Unix and X-windows based computer tools Desirable Qualifications o experience in Internet service provision The position provides an excellent opportunity to work at the very heart of the European Internet industry. R I P E RIPE (Reseaux IP Europeens) is a collaborative organisation open to all European Internet service providers. The objective of RIPE is to ensure the necessary administrative and technical coordination to allow the operation of a pan- European IP network. RIPE does not operate a network of its own. RIPE has been functioning since 1989. The result of the RIPE coordination effort is that the individual end-user is presented on his desk top with a uniform IP service irrespective of the particular network his or her computer is attached to. R I P E N C C The RIPE Network Coordination Centre providers coordination services to European Internet service provider. The NCC's widely recognised neutrality and impartiality are a key requirement for its success. The NCC also supports RIPE activities where appropriate. For more information about NCC services and activities see the RIPE document store. The NCC is funded by all Internet service providers in Europe who operate local Internet registries. The RIPE NCC currently employs eight staff (1 part time). NCC staff are formally employed by TERENA. TERENA TERENA is the European Association of research networking organisations and their users. TERENA has been created by a merger of the RARE and EARN associations. TERENA carries out technical activities and provides a platform for discussion and education to encourage the development of a high-quality computer networking infrastructure for the European research community. Conditions RIPE NCC personnel is employed by the TERENA association under their standard employment conditions. The salary will be compatible with a managerial position with significant responsibilities and depend on qualifications and experience. Costs of relocation to the Netherlands will be fully met. The appointment will be for one year with possible extension. Location The RIPE NCC is located at the Scientific Center Watergraafsmeer (WCW) in Amsterdam. The offices are situated at NIKHEF, the Dutch National Institute for Nuclear Physics and High Energy Physics. Further Information For further information about the RIPE NCC, please see the RIPE document store at http://www.ripe.net/ ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ gopher://gopher.ripe.net/ telnet://info.ripe.net/ For further information about this position please contact: Daniel Karrenberg RIPE NCC Manager Kruislaan 409 NL-1098 SJ Amsterdam Netherlands Tel.: +31 20 592 5065 <Daniel.Karrenberg(a)ripe.net> How to Apply Applications, including a curriculum vitae and references should be submitted in confidence to the address above and should be received no later than Wednesday November 1st 1996. October 11, 1995

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Weather
by Daniel Karrenberg 10 Oct '95

10 Oct '95

For those planning to attend the RIPE meeting, a five day prognosis of Dutch weather can be found at http://www.knmi.nl/WEER/INFO/meerdaagse.html. It is in Dutch. Short vocabulary: Zonneschijn [%] = chance of sunshine in % Neerslag [%] = chance of precipitation % Minimum temp. [graad] = expected minumum temperature in centigrades/clesius Middag temp. [graad] = (after)noon temperature Windrichting = wind direction Windkracht = wind force (beaufort) Maandag = Monday Dinsdag = Tuesday Woensdag = Wednesday Donderdag = Thursday Vrijdag = Friday Zaterdag = [exercise to the reader] Zondag = [secret day] Here is an ASCII representation of the current page: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In cijfers, gemiddeld over Nederland: woensdag donderdagvrijdag zaterdag zondag Zonneschijn [%] 50 60 40 70 40 Neerslag [%] 10 10 10 10 20 Minimum temp. [graad] 10 10 9 9 9 Middag temp. [graad] 20 18 17 17 18 Windrichting [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] Windkracht 3 3 3 3 4 (Windrichting en windkracht gelden voor overdag boven open gebieden) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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NORDUnet conference
by RIPE NCC Staff 09 Oct '95

09 Oct '95

Forwarded on request -------------------------------- ------------------------------------ INTERNET conference in Copenhagen 14 - 16 November ================================================== ************************** *** REGISTER NOW !!! *** ************************** NORDUnet '95 has been organized by UNI-C, Denmark, and takes place at the Sheraton Copenhagen Hotel. The most exciting network conference in the Nordic countries is this year in Copenhagen. NORDUnet provides you with information about what is happening and the development of the net. Almost 40 speakers have been invited for giving presentations, and Vint Cerf, (one of the originators of TCP/IP) will be giving his vision on the future of the Internet. There will be two parallel tracts: on network Security and on network Applications. You don't have to be a specialist to participate. There is a special registration fee of only DKK 3.000 (approx USD 540) until October 15. It includes conference fee, lunch, get-together with music and drinks and conference dinner. Hotel rooms at a reduced price, have been reserved in different price groups. The detailed programme along with registration form and general information can be retrieved in the World-Wide Web at: http://info.denet.dk/nordunet/ndn95.html A paper brochure can also be provided if you mail me at ndn95(a)uni-c.dk Looking forward to meeting you at NORDUnet '95 Yours sincerely Niels E. Raun ------------------------------------------------------------------ Niels E. Raun, MScEE. UNI-C Tel.: +45 35 82 83 55 Vermundsgade 5 Fax.: +45 31 83 79 49 DK 2100 Copenhagen O E-mail: Niels.E.Raun(a)uni-c.dk

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EOF meeting agenda
by Peter Lothberg 08 Oct '95

08 Oct '95

Version 1.0 Draft Agenda 8th EOF Meeting ============================ Date: Wednesday 11 October 1995 Time: 10:45 -- 12:30 (Coffe served 10:30) Place: NIKHEF, Amsterdam room Z009 Host: Nikhef Rob Blokzijl --===::::*****::::===-- 1. Welcome 2. Agenda Bashing 3. Appointment of minute taker 4. Apologies 5. Previous Minutes 6. Status of European Interconnect Points - Short updates - LINX (London) Keith Mitchel - F-GIX (Paris) Bernhard Tui - D-GIX (Stockholm) Peter Lothberg - Cern (Geneva) - Amsterdam - Italy - FICIX - Others? 7. Experience of BGP flap dampening Peter Lothberg 8. Use of BGP DPA community for multihomed sites Peter Lothberg 9. Report from NANOG 10. Peering policy proposed by Ebone 11. European update - Dante - EMPB - EUnet - Ebone - BT - Pipex - Others? 12. EOF marketing 14. AOB 15. Next meeting. --Peter

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RIPE 22 - Agenda: draft 2
by k13＠nikhef.nl 08 Oct '95

08 Oct '95

Dear RIPE meeting participants, find below the second draft of the meetings agenda. Changes: + The EOF meeting on 11 October will start at 11:00h (request from the EOF Chair). Refreshments will be available from 10:30h. + 2 More points have been added to the plenary session agenda. See you, Rob Blokzijl -------------------------------------- 22nd RIPE Meeting Preliminary Schedule for Working Groups Meetings Start: October 11, 10:30 End: October 12, 12:30 -------------------------------------- 11 Oct +------------+ 09:00 +------------+ 12 Oct | EOF (1) | | Routing | +------------+ 10:30 +------------+ break break +------------+ 11:00 +------------+------------+ | EOF (2) | | Database |Connectivity| +------------+ 12:30 +------------+------------+ lunch lunch +------------+------------+ 14:00 | MBONE | IPv6 | ...plenary session... +------------+------------+ 15:30 break +------------+------------+ 16:00 | LOCAL IR | DNS | +------------+------------+ 18:00 -------------------------------------- 22nd RIPE Meeting Preliminary Agenda for Plenary session Start: October 12, 14:00 End: October 13, 15:30 -------------------------------------- o Opening and Welcome o Adoption of the Agenda o Minutes 21st RIPE Meeting o Actions 21st RIPE Meeting o RIPE NCC Report on the Contributers Meeting o RIPE NCC Report o Dante Services o Internet Exchanges: - Roma - Moscow o Emerging 34-45 Mb international services o Encryption policies on the European Internets o IETF Report o Working Groups Reports o Dates of next Meetings o A.O.B. o Closing

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Re: RIPE22: Agenda - on escrow in europe - plz ignore if not interested
by nick＠dreamy.demon.co.uk 07 Oct '95

07 Oct '95

In message <9510061242.AA19794(a)dxcern.cern.ch> Ben Segal writes: > >I think RIPE should formulate a position statement in this matter and > >send to Council of Europe and EC. > >... > >The Internet society has already sent message to US government arguing > >against the clipper chip and I guess ISOC could also send such a > >message to the EC and the council. > > I fully agree with this, Frode. > ISOC has a (small) presence at the massive Telecom'95 exhibition being held > right now in Geneva >From the London Evening Standard ("Business Diary"), 5 October 1995: (Headline: AT&T condemns Internet policing) "US Telecoms goliath AT&T has launched a stinging attack on American and European politicians who are seeking to regulate the Internet. AT&T chief strategist Dick Bodman warned governments that interference would deter business and `slow down a magnet of creative activity by companies and individuals who are providing a catalyst for huge changes within the communications industry'. Bodman, speaking at the Telecoms 95 Exhibition in Geneva, referred to a variety of pressures building up at government and intergovernmental level. These include moves to impose conditions on companies seeking to provide Internet services, to specify common technology standards that would prevent new competitors from entering the market or coming up with new ideas, and to grant exclusive franchises to some companies to operate on world networks unfettered by competition. Bodman concedes that while pornography remains a real problem, commercial and other security issues could be worked out through co-operation between private firms. Even when it comes to such questions as pornography, Bodman believes that the solution probably lies in allowing consumers an option of "blanking out" what they do not want to see. `The Internet and related networks came about because people found an unregulated way to swap information and come up with new ideas without recourse to the authorities. To that extent, the Internet is an expression of the people,' he says." I, personally, remain unconvinced that a longer term goal of corporations such as AT&T is not to eat the RIPE and any similar not-for-profit expressions of the people involved in the operation of the Internet, but in the short term some joint approach with such powerful potential allies on these regulation issues may be useful. -- * nick(a)dreamy.demon.co.uk * nick.reid(a)demon.net *

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RIPE22: terminal room
by RIPE NCC Staff 06 Oct '95

06 Oct '95

Terminal-room facilities during the RIPE-meeting. ------------------------------------------------- Time allowing, we will provide a terminal room during the RIPE meeting. There will be a number of ASCII terminals connected to a terminal-server (hef-ts1.nikhef.nl or hef-ts2.nikhef.nl), which will allow for telnet access. We will also provide ethernet tap points for laptop computers, using 10baseT ethernet. Unfortunately, Apple localtalk access cannot be provided, sorry. If 10base2, AUI or 110V is required, please send mail to <ncc(a)ripe.net> b e f o r e thuesday. If time allows, I will try to bring up an experimental DHCP server. In any case, a limited number of static IP addresses will be available & can be applied for at the registration desk. People that need to have access lists changed should allow access from 192.16.199.0/24 and 192.16.192.0/24. Printer access will be provided via an uuencoded-file-via-mail gateway. Hope this helps, Geert Jan

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Re: RIPE22: Agenda - on escrow in europe - plz ignore if not interested
by ben＠dxcern.cern.ch 06 Oct '95

06 Oct '95

in net security >I think RIPE should formulate a position statement in this matter and >send to Council of Europe and EC. >... >The Internet society has already sent message to US government arguing >against the clipper chip and I guess ISOC could also send such a >message to the EC and the council. I fully agree with this, Frode. ISOC has a (small) presence at the massive Telecom'95 exhibition being held right now in Geneva - in fact I and a group of volunteers from the newly formed ISOC Geneva Chapter are running the ISOC stand in the exhibition. I will see if I can get this matter raised, at least in question-times and maybe other contacts, with some people that may be able to help. In particular there is a weekend sub-conference called "Internet@Telecom'95" tomorrow and Sunday which would be a good forum. By the way, it would be nice if ISOC had more European Chapters - so far only Geneva, Norway, Israel and Catalonia have formed anything. Our influence in Europe depends on our presence. Where are the big countries in all this? Ben

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RIPE22: Agenda
by RIPE NCC Staff 06 Oct '95

06 Oct '95

Dear RIPE meeting participants, Below you will find the schedule for working groups meetings and the agenda for the plenary session. As always, they are proposals: please let us know of any changes and/or additions you might want to propose, at <ncc(a)ripe.net>. -------------------------------------- 22nd RIPE Meeting Preliminary Schedule for Working Groups Meetings Start: October 11, 09:00 End: October 12, 12:30 -------------------------------------- 11 Oct +------------+ 09:00 +------------+ 12 Oct | EOF (1) | | Routing | +------------+ 10:30 +------------+ break break +------------+ 11:00 +------------+------------+ | EOF (2) | | Database |Connectivity| +------------+ 12:30 +------------+------------+ lunch lunch +------------+------------+ 14:00 | MBONE | IPv6 | ...plenary session... +------------+------------+ 15:30 break +------------+------------+ 16:00 | LOCAL IR | DNS | +------------+------------+ 18:00 -------------------------------------- 22nd RIPE Meeting Preliminary Agenda for Plenary session Start: October 12, 14:00 End: October 13, 15:30 -------------------------------------- o Opening and Welcome o Adoption of the Agenda o Minutes 21st RIPE Meeting o Actions 21st RIPE Meeting o RIPE NCC Report o RIPE NCC Financial Report o Dante Services o Internet Exchanges: - Roma - Moscow o IETF Report o Working Groups Reports o Dates of next Meetings o A.O.B. o Closing

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Re: RIPE22: Agenda - on escrow in europe - plz ignore if not interested in net security
by ben＠dxcern.cern.ch 06 Oct '95

06 Oct '95

>It is very sad that the EC has such incompetent technical advice. So what's new ??? Ben Segal / CERN

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Hostcount Graphics Available
by Mirjam Kuehne 05 Oct '95

05 Oct '95

Dear all, There is now also a graphical version of the hostcount available, one file shows the monthly increase and the other the increase per quarter. You can find the files under: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount/RIPE-Hostcount-{Mo,Qu}.eps As you have probably already noticed, my previous mail contained a slight but significant error: The zone in the de domain had of course not 65,000 SOA RR's but 65,000 A RR's listed. Sorry about that. Kind regards, Mirjam RIPE NCC

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Hostcount for September 1995
by Mirjam Kuehne 05 Oct '95

05 Oct '95

Dear all, Here is the hostcount for September 1995. The table shows an increase since last month of almost 57,000 (or 3.2%) to a total of over 1,830,000 hosts in the DNS in Europe. This comes to a total increase of 18.1% during the last three months. The UK shows the highest increase for August with more than 17,000 hosts more than in August. The de domain shows a decrease of over 40,000 hosts. The zone that listed 65,000 SOA records and caused a very big increase in the de domain in July has changed again and shows only two hosts. The hostcount can also be found under ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Thu Aug 31 1995 This Count : Sa Sep 30 1995 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================ al 4 1 0 1 0 am 4 64 2 62 0 at 960 50827 1716 49111 + 2877 az 3 15 0 15 - 1 be 774 27613 728 26885 + 2151 bg 51 821 45 776 + 148 by 4 8 0 8 + 3 ch 814 77273 640 76633 + 7167 cy 20 283 8 275 + 83 cz 318 19575 300 19275 + 3059 de 4770 413460 11608 401852 -40325 dk 725 43413 831 42582 + 2812 dz 2 16 0 16 0 ee 115 3109 39 3070 + 296 eg 8 296 10 286 + 61 es 797 39964 427 39537 - 2613 fi 1099 136620 3300 133320 +15669 fo 14 471 0 471 0 fr 1949 125906 2685 123221 + 6491 gb 1 31 0 31 + 1 ge 9 12 0 12 - 28 gr 320 7277 537 6740 + 172 hr 113 2789 500 2289 + 96 hu 180 12793 252 12541 + 661 ie 124 10400 95 10305 + 248 il 473 22131 319 21812 + 7307 is 133 7908 80 7828 + 612 it 1879 62586 4661 57925 + 5055 li 12 47 0 47 0 lt 29 329 1 328 + 43 lu 79 1690 21 1669 + 70 lv 33 871 29 842 - 184 ma 1 0 0 0 0 mk 11 104 21 83 + 7 mt 2 6 3 3 0 nl 1314 155437 2309 153128 + 8798 no 1434 77518 2806 74712 + 3612 pl 685 20538 1600 18938 + 2275 pt 285 10766 1015 9751 + 634 ro 91 1213 34 1179 + 55 ru 381 7559 592 6967 + 1881 se 1971 127711 4018 123693 + 7592 si 143 4030 135 3895 + 311 sk 108 2618 44 2574 + 96 su 360 9298 411 8887 + 374 tn 3 71 2 69 0 tr 155 4982 90 4892 + 1269 ua 135 2233 404 1829 + 199 uk 6410 412682 32659 380023 +17674 va 1 1 0 1 + 1 yu 3 0 0 0 0 ============================================================ 29309 1905366 74977 1830389 +56709

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reminder: RIPE22 announcement
by RIPE NCC Staff 04 Oct '95

04 Oct '95

Dear RIPE interested people and local registry contacts, Here goes the reminder of the RIPE meeting that will be held next week, Wed 11 Oct - Fri 13 Oct. If you are interested, you are still welcome to join. The agenda is not known yet, but the global structure of the meeting will be as the previous ones: Working group meetings at Wednesday afternoon/Thursday morning and a plenary on Thursday afternoon/Friday morning. Also, the fact that we have heard nothing from our beloved EOF chairperson is a strong indication that there will be an EOF meeting Wednesday at 09:00 :-) Any other information on the RIPE meeting can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/Next-meeting. IF it is not there, then <ncc(a)ripe.net> will be glad to help you out. We hope to see you in Amsterdam. Roderik Muit RIPE NCC ----- R I P E meeting announcement ============================ (This announcement can also be viewed using "finger meeting(a)ncc.ripe.net") This is to announce that the 22nd RIPE meeting will take place: Dates: 11th October, 1995 begin: 14:00* 12th October, 1995 13th October, 1995 end: 16:00* * these times may change. Also, it is likely that there will be an EOF meeting at 11th October, 09:00. Venue: CWI Kruislaan 413 1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands Host: NIKHEF Registration: Please use the registration form (which will follow in a separate mail) to give notice of your coming as soon as possible. General Information: -------------------- Currency: 1 UK pound = Hfl 2.5 1 ECU = Hfl 2.1 1 US$ = Hfl 1.6 Appended to this announcement: ------------------------------ <> directions to the meeting place Documents to follow (separate mail messages): --------------------------------------------- <> details of hotels in Amsterdam close to meeting venue <> registration form for attendance at the meeting ================================================================== CWI - The RIPE meeting venue: How do I get there? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To ease any possible confusion, two postscript maps can be found in the RIPE document store. One shows the bus and tram stops around the meeting site and the other is a more general map of the area. Both maps are available by ftp: ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/area-map.ps ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/area-map.ps.Z ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/local-transport-map.ps ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/local-transport-map.ps.Z *PLEASE NOTE: The number 69 and 169 now end at Amstel station rather than Muiderpoort station. The number 15 now connects the Amstel station with Muiderpoort station. a) Recommended public transport route from Amsterdam Schipol airport: <> Take the train from the airport railway station to the Central Railway station (Amsterdam CS). Then from Amsterdam Central Station : <> Take tram number 9 till the stop at the intersection of Middenweg and Kruislaan (15 min ride). The stop is just before the intersection. <> Walk down the Kruislaan in the direction of the railway bridge. Cross under the bridge and continue. Take the 2nd entrance left and follow the signs to the meeting (15 min walk all together). Instead of walking down Kruislaan you can take the shuttlebus for 2 stops. Turn into Kruislaan and the bustop is a little way down on the right hand side of the road. or from Central Station you can: <> Take bus 22 in the direction 'Indische Buurt' to the stop at the 'Muiderpoort Station' and take shuttlebus 66 which stops outside CWI. b) Alternatively from Amsterdam Schipol: <> Take the train from the airport railway station to the RAI station in Amsterdam. (These are the 'stop trains' to Lelystad, Utrecht or Amersfoort.) NOTE: Amsterdam Central Station (CS) is on another line. Then from the RAI station: <> From the RAI station take the city bus number 69 or CN bus number 169 in the direction `Amstel Station'. From the Amstel Railway Station <> From the Amstel station take the city bus number 15 the direction `Muiderpoort Station' to the stop on the corner of Kruislaan and Linnaeusparkweg (15 min ride, ask the driver where to get off) or proceed to 'Muiderpoort Station' and take shuttlebus 66. You can also take the shuttlebus 66 from the Kruislaan and Linnaeusparkweg intersection as described above. d) Taxi from the airport <> Takes 15 mins and will cost approximately Hfl. 60.00 e) Connections away <> Tram 6, 10 to Leidseplein (now with conductor on tram) Tram 9, 14 to Rembrandtplein and Dam Square (9 goes to Central Station) ==================================================================== Public Transport - how much does it cost and where can I get tickets? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Tickets of 15 strips (`Strippenkaart' costing Hfl. 10.75) can be bought in Post Offices, railway stations and cigarette shops. Tickets of 2 and 3 strips can be bought on the bus or the tram but they are much more expensive. You have to validate the ticket yourself in the metro stations and in the trams (except on lines 4, 6, 7, 10, 12 and 13). In the buses the driver will validate the ticket. Amsterdam is divided into zones: the old city is in zone `Centrum' whereas CWI is in zone `Oost'. You need to count how many zones you will be travelling through (from the centre - CWI is 2 zones) and count up that number of strips on your ticket + 1 extra. So in the above example you will need to stamp the 3rd strip. In case of overflow you stamp the last strip of the first ticket and start counting the remaining strips on the next ticket. Confused? Ask any member of the local organizing committee. Warning: BEWARE of pickpockets in crowded places. --------------------------

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