October 2000 - ripe-list - mailman.ripe.net

ASN Allocation questions
by Graham Burke 20 Oct '00

20 Oct '00

Hi this maillist has always been very helpful in the past so hopefully it can help answer a query i've got. Basically we are a registered Lir with our own /19 range however we have been bought over by another company which also has its own allocation - both /19s are registered in our respective names, We are now in the position where we want to combine the networks and multihon to a couple of upstream providers and have geographically deceided to use one range for the North and the other for the south. I know that we must have at least 2 carriers lined up before applying which is no problem- How do Ripe view this with regard to assigning a single AS number? hope this makes sense, any comments appreciated Many Thanks Graham -- Network System Administrator NSL (Internet) Ltd, 26 Forth Street, Edinburgh, EH1 3LH, UK tel + 44 (0)131 477 8215 fax + 44 (0)131 477 8223 http://www.nsl.net

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RIPE NCC Test-boxes and Test Traffic Measurements Service
by Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC) 20 Oct '00

20 Oct '00

Dear colleagues, (Apologies for any duplicate mails). The New Projects group at the RIPE NCC is pleased to announce that 25 new test-boxes have been delivered, tested and are ready to be installed at your site. More test-boxes will be assemble as soon as these 25 machines have been shipped. These test-boxes measure delays and losses on the Internet by sending time-stamped packets to each other. A more detailed description is available in RIPE document 209 (see below). At this moment, we are also moving the Test Traffic Measurements from an experimental product to a regular membership service offered by the RIPE NCC. Under this service, the RIPE NCC will operate the test-box and analyze the measurement data for you. With the introduction of this service, 2 restrictions will be removed: * The TTM service will be available to everybody interested, not just the current LIR members, * Any organization can apply for more than 1 test-box, and, for example, install a box at every major PoP. Another change is that you will have to pay for the hardware of the boxes. A test-box currently costs 2750 Euro. This includes the installation costs, but does not include shipping, taxes and import/export duties. The RIPE NCC has been asked to introduce a service fee (of approximately 3000 Euro/Year) for the operation of the boxes. However, for tax-reasons, it is currently not possible to do this. Therefore: * There will be NO service fee for the remainder of 2000 and the first months of 2001. For those of you familiar with the project, it is worth noticing that the hardware of the boxes has been improved. The most important change is in the design of the antenna. In the new machines, the HF-unit has been moved to the antenna, thus eliminating the need for expensive coax cable between the antenna and the test-box itself. Instead, regular CAT-5 cable can be used and cable lengths of (at least) 200 to 300 meters are possible. Also, the boxes have more CPU and memory available and this feature will be exploited in the future do other measurements and analyze the data on the box, thus reducing the time between data-taking and availability of the results. In short, this means: * Easier installation * More freedom in installing the antennas. If you are interested in hosting a test-box, please start by reading the following documents, all available from the test-traffic web-site at http://www.ripe.net/test-traffic/: * RIPE-209, "Providing Test Traffic Measurements as a membership service". This document describes the model the RIPE-NCC will use for selling the test-boxes and the related service for operating them. * RIPE-214, "General Terms to the RIPE-NCC Test Traffic Measurements and Test-Box Purchase Agreement". This document contains the contract used to sell the test-boxes. It is the translation of RIPE-209 into "legalise". * RIPE-168 (Version 2.1 or later). This is the installation guide for the test-boxes. The current document is somewhat outdated, in particular the section on the antenna installation. An update will be published early November. A document that is presently being written is a "2 page glossy summary" of RIPE-209, describing the advantages of hosting a test-box for your manager. If you are interested in hosting one or more test-boxes, please fill out the application sheet at http://www.ripe.net/test-traffic/Host_testbox. If anything is unclear or you have questions that are not answered in the documents, do not hesitate to contact us. The application procedure has become a little more complex than before, but still shouldn't take much more than a few minutes to complete. Sites that have already expressed interest in hosting a box will be contacted in a separate mail. As announced before, we will give the existing test-box hosts a possibility to upgrade your hardware. This will announced, when we are ready to do this, in a separate mail. There is no deadline for applying. Applications will be processed in the order as they come in and processed as soon as our production schedule permits. If you have any questions about this project, please do not hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Henk Uijterwaal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(a)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre WWW: http://www.ripe.net/home/henk Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.535-4414, Fax -4445 1016 AB Amsterdam Home: +31.20.4195305 The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A man can take a train and never reach his destination. (Kerouac, well before RFC2780).

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RE: RIPE Region Hostcount for September 2000
by mike.norris＠heanet.ie 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

> Is this loss due to a technical problem or some general changes > (named-based vhosting instead of IP-based vhosting)? Or just > "fluctuation"? A cursory examination would indicate a mix of factors. Countries with large drops such as fr (-320407), it (-102268) and pt (-19322) still saw increases in their SOA counts. This could be due, as you say, to more name-based virtual hosting, or to more use of NAT, firewalls/private addresses etc. A few countries saw drops in both hosts and SOA records e.g. ru (-88806 hosts, -20199 domains), hu (-18232 hosts, -978 domains). Here we probably have "fluctuations", as zones, for whatever reason, don't get counted this time. It looks like we're seeing the end of the systematic increase in the number of hosts. However, the trend in the number of domains is monotonically upwards; this is probably a better metric of Internet growth than the host count. Regards. Mike

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RE: RIPE Region Hostcount for September 2000
by mike.norris＠heanet.ie 18 Oct '00

18 Oct '00

> > (1) by removing AXFR privileges to the world (including our hostcount > host, 130.59.1.30), or > > (2) by moving to a "split" DNS scheme, in which only hosts with > external services (in the "DMZ") are listed in the DNS, the > internal hosts being in another version of the organisation's zone > which is only visible from the inside. > > The latter is proably difficult to work around. > > The effect of (1) could be reduced by kindly asking people to allow > AXFR from 130.59.1.80 when setting up zones directly under .ch/.li. > Some cooperation from large hosting organisations, or ISPs which > operate large numbers of secondaries on behalf of their customers > would be valuable for keeping the hostcount realistic. I agree, Simon. We see a lot of (1) in the .ie domain as well and would endorse and widen your plea to apply to all TLDs in the RIPE area. To help in this, RIPE NCC have set up a domain hostcount.ripe.net, which is designed to advertise forward mappings to the hostcount collector in each ccTLD. Thus, for example, ie-collector.hostcount.ripe.net maps to 193.1.193.194, while the reverse mapping is handled locally by the .ie collector (HEAnet in this case). In that way, RIPE NCC authenticates the IP address of their hostcount collectors. I would hope that this would carry some weight with the ISPs/ASPs in question and would persuade them to take part in this collaborative effort. > > Asking for such cooperation would be easier if there was a strict > privacy policy for the intermediate data produced by the hostcount > software. Absolutely. Mike Norris

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Re: RIPE Region Hostcount for September 2000
by Simon Leinen 17 Oct '00

17 Oct '00

>>>>> "dr" == Daniel Roesen <noc(a)entire-systems.com> writes: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 02:00:19PM +0200, RIPE Hostcount Maintainer wrote: >> The overall decrease was largely attributable to a loss of >> around 320,000 hosts from the fr TLD. > Is this loss due to a technical problem or some general changes > (named-based vhosting instead of IP-based vhosting)? Or just > "fluctuation"? In our region (CH & LI), when we "lose" large numbers of hosts this is usually because some large sites or ISPs restrict access to their zone data, either (1) by removing AXFR privileges to the world (including our hostcount host, 130.59.1.30), or (2) by moving to a "split" DNS scheme, in which only hosts with external services (in the "DMZ") are listed in the DNS, the internal hosts being in another version of the organisation's zone which is only visible from the inside. The latter is proably difficult to work around. The effect of (1) could be reduced by kindly asking people to allow AXFR from 130.59.1.80 when setting up zones directly under .ch/.li. Some cooperation from large hosting organisations, or ISPs which operate large numbers of secondaries on behalf of their customers would be valuable for keeping the hostcount realistic. Asking for such cooperation would be easier if there was a strict privacy policy for the intermediate data produced by the hostcount software. -- Simon.

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New Document available: RIPE-209
by RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service 17 Oct '00

17 Oct '00

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- Two new documents are available from the RIPE document store. Short content description ------------------------- * RIPE-209, "Providing Test Traffic Measurements as a membership service". This document describes the model the RIPE-NCC will use for selling the test-boxes and the related service for operating them. It also describes the services based on the data. This document has been discussed in the tt-wg and plenary sessions of the last few RIPE meetings. * RIPE-214, "General Terms to the RIPE-NCC Test Traffic Measurements and Test-Box Purchase Agreement". This document contains the contract used to sell the test-boxes and the related service for operating them. It is the translation into "legally correct" English of RIPE-209. Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- The RIPE document store is available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-209.ps PostScript version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-209.txt plain text version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-214.ps PostScript version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-214.txt plain text version You can also access the RIPE documents in HTML format via WWW. RIPE-209 and RIPE-214 are not available from the WWW at this moment, but will be soon, at the following URL: http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-209.html http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-214.html

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RIPE Region Hostcount for September 2000
by RIPE Hostcount Maintainer 17 Oct '00

17 Oct '00

Dear All, below is the hostcount for September 2000. The table shows a *decrease* since last month of over 380,000 (or 3.3%) to a total of around 11,250,000 hosts in the DNS in Europe and surrounding areas. The de domain shows the highest increase for September with approximately 35,000 hosts more than in August. The overall decrease was largely attributable to a loss of around 320,000 hosts from the fr TLD. Background information and more statistics are available at http://www.ripe.net/hostcount/ - Brief Notes on this Hostcount - - the January data had to be reused for uk due to problems with co.uk. since that time - the August data had to be reused for es due to problems at the local collector this month - Credits - I would like to thank all people who help me to create the hostcount every month by running a local count: ad Joan Marc Lauga am Edgar D Danielyan at Gerhard Winkler be DNS-BE Registration Office ch Marcel Schneider cy Vasoula Papapetrou cz Jiri Orsag de Peter Koch dk Morten Christensen eg EUN Hostcount Admin es Susana Gayo. CSIC-RedIRIS fr Annie Renard gr Dimitris Zisiadis hr Ivan Maric ie Mike Norris il Netvision NOC is Marius Olafsson it Maurizio Martinelli Daniele Vannozzi li Marcel Schneider lt Daiva Tamulioniene lu Alain Frieden mk Goran Muratovski mt Robert Sultana no Havard Eidnes pl Mirek Luc pt Joao Pagaime ro Eugenie Staicut ru Andrey Dobrotsvetov sk Lubos Elias sm Maurizio Martinelli Daniele Vannozzi tr METU Hostcount Admin uk Robert Stone Kevin Hoadley If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Lee Wilmot RIPE NCC RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Fri Sep 15 2000 This Count : Fri Oct 13 2000 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================== ad 508 1862 725 1137 + 4 ae 1755 42278 1014 41264 + 1126 al 60 189 23 166 + 7 am 702 3649 1117 2532 + 94 at 114659 621022 176845 444177 + 13999 az 357 1855 305 1550 - 133 ba 256 2869 519 2350 - 109 be 22500 341907 45024 296883 - 4172 bg 1036 17948 2021 15927 - 2703 bh 58 1744 451 1293 + 1 by 183 2555 327 2228 + 40 ch 139075 437553 199131 238422 + 9346 ci 224 723 251 472 + 13 cm 33 315 23 292 + 120 cv 15 115 90 25 + 2 cy 694 7985 788 7197 + 41 cz 72719 214578 62665 151913 + 3457 de 1874240 7384538 5463159 1921379 + 34981 dj 17 56 16 40 0 dk 163782 547032 215013 332019 + 26589 dz 49 525 33 492 - 81 ee 5839 43540 9673 33867 - 545 eg 1660 3248 1049 2199 - 15 er 1 5 0 5 + 1 es 15962 377766 21854 355912 0 fi 18951 576875 48880 527995 - 4886 fr 79647 1186945 132271 1054674 -320407 ga 22 61 30 31 + 2 gb 2 24 0 24 0 ge 315 1851 493 1358 + 24 gg 781 1835 571 1264 + 12 gh 35 401 54 347 + 15 gi 429 2068 692 1376 + 10 gl 612 2745 289 2456 + 10 gn 7 333 136 197 - 1 gr 15726 107779 15625 92154 + 1867 gw 2 21 1 20 0 hr 3175 23286 8141 15145 + 692 hu 29304 176664 74121 102543 - 18232 ie 14149 130023 19839 110184 + 1496 il 13601 133761 33901 99860 0 im 423 1896 320 1576 + 10 ir 164 1881 351 1530 + 104 is 4875 54877 17140 37737 + 5317 it 179395 626691 202665 424026 -102268 je 770 1722 417 1305 + 12 ke 797 1391 326 1065 - 3699 kg 330 4186 550 3636 + 108 kz 1405 7417 1350 6067 - 537 lb 884 3235 836 2399 + 292 li 3892 8421 4649 3772 + 85 lr 9 0 0 0 0 lt 5477 18021 2908 15113 + 535 lu 4868 14588 3504 11084 + 3719 lv 3664 24482 5627 18855 + 1250 ma 1026 3495 1795 1700 - 16 mc 310 788 350 438 - 3 mk 591 1859 397 1462 + 19 ml 34 272 30 242 - 39 mt 851 8092 1502 6590 + 33 ng 261 1061 924 137 - 241 nl 320304 1947310 529824 1417486 + 54471 no 38091 500396 37422 462974 - 657 om 64 5802 2919 2883 + 2 pl 69470 395150 101897 293253 + 10289 pt 7170 82036 13240 68796 - 19322 qa 35 165 93 72 + 42 ro 7743 56714 11263 45451 + 8658 ru 10957 65178 19708 45470 - 88806 sa 1434 3995 1372 2623 + 149 se 49830 694024 63408 630616 - 4509 si 3765 26209 4693 21516 + 317 sj 1 0 0 0 0 sk 18011 46699 16458 30241 - 4180 sl 7 206 0 206 + 3 sm 237 983 148 835 + 136 sn 290 1931 371 1560 + 57 su 1457 24960 1782 23178 - 1073 sy 3 16 8 8 0 tj 420 1820 1156 664 + 36 tm 478 1957 617 1340 - 5 tn 2 82 55 27 + 3 tr 2332 71202 2902 68300 + 14728 ua 12931 78357 45296 33061 + 1585 ug 196 880 140 740 + 3 uk 478844 2502998 825052 1677946 0 va 2 9 0 9 0 yu 5988 18660 4053 14607 + 368 ============================================================== 88 3833230 19712643 8466678 11245965 -380359

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About The Visualization of the Internet Topology
by Andrea Carmignani 04 Oct '00

04 Oct '00

Hi my name is Andrea Carmignani, I belong to the network research group of the university of Roma3. We developed a tool, known as Hermes, able to explore the Internet topology. Its based mainly on the information coming from the databases belonging to some Internet Resource Record like RIPE, RADB, VERIO, CABLE & WIRE, ARIN and BELL in addiction to the BGP routing information coming from the Route Projects of the Oregon University. Hermes is able to dynamically explore the Internet Topology, providing a Map representing the As and their interconnections. For any AS present on the map, it can also provide several information like: AS name, Maintainers, Routing Policies, list of the known border Router, list of the routes originated by the AS and the As macro which the AS belongs. We will be grateful if you could give us some feedback on the real utility of this tool and hopefully some suggestion able to improving it. Please visit the URL: http://www.dia.uniroma3.it/~hermes here you will find a more detailed paper, some screenshot galleries, a screencam of the tool working and you will able to use Hermes through the Applet provided. I think this is the right mailing list where to post this news if not I apologize otherwise

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ROUTING
by Okan Cimen 03 Oct '00

03 Oct '00

HI CAN ANYONE GIVE ME DETAILED ROUTING INFORMATION OF A PI INDEPENDENT FIRM ? OKAN

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