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IETF Report Abstract
by Jill.Foster＠newcastle.ac.uk 04 Jan '95

04 Jan '95

IETF - San Jose: December 5th - 9th, 1994 ========================================= Trip Report: Jill Foster - Newcastle University, UK TERENA Information Services and User Support Project Development Officer and Mailbase Manager This one of my last tasks as the RARE/Terena ISUS PDO - and kept me occupied over Christmas! Abstract ======== The IETF (Internet Engineering Task Force) met for a week in San Jose. The report deals mainly with the areas of User Support, Networked Information Retrieval and Directory Services, although reports of some of the plenary sessions are also included. This report is stored on the UK Mailbase Server. ftp://mailbase.ac.uk/pub/lists/wg-isus/files/ietf.12.94 It is also available via gopher and WWW from mailbase.ac.uk To retrieve a copy via email, send a message to: Mailbase(a)mailbase.ac.uk with the following command in the body of the message: send wg-isus ietf.12.94 -- Jill Foster

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RIPE DNS Hostcount December 1994
by Marten Terpstra 03 Jan '95

03 Jan '95

Happy 1995 everyone! Here is the last hostcount for 1994. We have made it. There are over 1,000,000 hosts registered in the DNS in Europe. - Austria (AT) has been added to the list of countries that collect the DNS data inside their own country and make it available to me to producde the hostcount statistics. - over the last quarter of 1994, the increase was over 140,000 hosts, or almost 16% - over the whole of 1994, the amount of hosts doubled from 553,000 to almost 1,030,000. That is slightly more than over 1993. - All output again available from: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount/ Cheers, -Marten RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Wed Nov 30 1994 This Count : Sat Dec 31 1994 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================ al 3 0 0 0 0 at 513 28300 996 27304 + 686 az 3 9 0 9 0 be 267 17705 282 17423 + 1087 bg 19 157 21 136 - 1 by 1 1 0 1 + 1 ch 329 50150 331 49819 + 1131 cs 0 0 0 0 0 cy 0 0 0 0 - 76 cz 184 10561 164 10397 - 5 de 2630 203231 4380 198851 + 8658 dk 268 18729 323 18406 + 1313 dz 2 10 0 10 + 2 ee 46 1163 9 1154 - 36 eg 6 154 1 153 + 8 es 490 27805 227 27578 + 2753 fi 559 69814 1552 68262 + 3458 fo 1 0 0 0 0 fr 1073 84665 1305 83360 + 9734 gb 1 26 0 26 + 2 ge 1 0 0 0 0 gr 164 3725 209 3516 + 117 hr 75 1242 198 1044 + 257 hu 105 6860 34 6826 - 656 ie 84 5553 67 5486 + 116 il 237 12929 293 12636 + 619 is 78 4559 32 4527 + 306 it 840 29326 956 28370 - 1413 li 4 30 3 0 - 27 lt 14 127 0 127 + 28 lu 32 511 5 506 - 26 lv 28 532 8 524 + 85 ma 1 0 0 0 0 mk 1 0 0 0 0 mt 1 0 0 0 0 nl 722 88373 2430 85943 + 4142 no 818 50137 1773 48364 + 4181 pl 421 11587 821 10766 + 1290 pt 118 5095 41 5054 - 331 ro 38 559 37 522 + 58 ru 214 1874 142 1732 + 182 se 991 76313 2249 74064 + 5060 si 99 1680 53 1627 + 129 sk 80 1445 29 1416 + 233 su 261 5090 285 4805 + 349 tn 3 60 6 54 0 tr 66 1918 35 1883 - 29 ua 71 613 84 529 + 133 uk 2640 248314 22254 226060 +12652 va 0 0 0 0 0 yu 3 0 0 0 0 ============================================================ 14605 1070932 41635 1029270 +56170 This is an overview of the History of the RIPE hostcounts. It only contains the totals. The totals for 1990-1991 should be considered rather unstable and unreliable because the program used then was not really tuned, plus the count was not done as regularly as it is now. Count : total hostcount for all European top level domains Delta : delta since previous count Delta % : delta as percentage of previous count Q Delta : delta over the past quarter Q Delta%: delta over last quarter as percentage of end of last quarter count For the Q Deltas I have not calculated those back before 1992, because the figures for 1990-1991 are not too reliable. *) Dec 1991 hostcount estimated at 135,000. Count Delta Delta % Q Delta Q Delta % ------------------------------------------------------------------- Oct 1990 31724 Nov 1990 33665 + 1941 + 6.1% Dec 1990 29230 - 4435 - 13.2% Jan 1991 43832 + 14602 + 50.0% Feb 1991 - Mar 1991 44506 + 674 + 1.5% Apr 1991 46948 + 2442 + 5.5% May 1991 - Jun 1991 63267 + 16319 + 34.8% Jul 1991 - Aug 1991 73069 + 9802 + 15.5% Sep 1991 92834 + 19765 + 27.0% Oct 1991 104824 + 11990 + 12.9% Nov 1991 129652 + 24828 + 23.7% Dec 1991 - Jan 1992 141308 + 11656 + 9.0% Feb 1992 161434 + 20126 + 14.2% Mar 1992 167939 + 6505 + 4.0% + 32939 *) + 24.4% *) Apr 1992 170050 + 2111 + 1.3% May 1992 182528 + 12478 + 7.3% Jun 1992 196758 + 14230 + 7.8% + 28819 + 17.2% Jul 1992 213017 + 16259 + 8.3% Aug 1992 221951 + 8934 + 4.2% Sep 1992 232522 + 10571 + 4.8% + 35764 + 18.2% Oct 1992 254585 + 22063 + 9.5% Nov 1992 271795 + 17210 + 6.8% Dec 1992 284374 + 12579 + 4.6% + 51852 + 22.3% Jan 1993 303828 + 19454 + 6.8% Feb 1993 322902 + 19074 + 6.3% Mar 1993 355140 + 32238 + 10.0% + 70766 + 24.9% Apr 1993 366164 + 11024 + 3.1% May 1993 385522 + 19358 + 5.3% Jun 1993 404930 + 19408 + 5.0% + 49790 + 14.0% Jul 1993 426827 + 21897 + 5.4% Aug 1993 451116 + 24289 + 5.7% Sep 1993 469356 + 18240 + 4.0% + 64424 + 15.9% Oct 1993 500018 + 30662 + 6.5% Nov 1993 533701 + 33683 + 6.7% Dec 1993 553357 + 19656 + 3.7% + 84001 + 17.9% Jan 1994 587135 + 33778 + 6.1% Feb 1994 623158 + 36023 + 6.1% Mar 1994 655164 + 32006 + 5.1% +101807 + 18.4% Apr 1994 693346 + 38182 + 5.8% May 1994 735317 + 41971 + 6.1% Jun 1994 760385 + 25076 + 3.4% +105221 + 16.1% Jul 1994 789747 + 29362 + 3.8% Aug 1994 834945 + 45198 + 5.7% Sep 1994 888398 + 53453 + 6.4% +128013 + 16.8% Oct 1994 924679 + 36281 + 4.1% Nov 1994 973100 + 48421 + 5.2% Dec 1994 1029270 + 56170 + 5.8% +140872 + 15.9%

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(Re-Revised) TERENA (was RARE) ISUS WG meeting minutes
by Jill.Foster＠newcastle.ac.uk 21 Dec '94

21 Dec '94

[Re-revised URL: Apologies for the *further* error and for assuming that you were all psychic. It was under the influence of influenza :-( (or at least a pretty horrible cold that seems to have got most people here.) I hope you find the minutes worth the fight! Have a peaceful Christmas and New Year. -- Jill] TERENA INFORMATION SERVICES AND USER SUPPORT WORKING GROUP (ISUS WG) The ISUS WG meeting was held in London on December 1st and 2nd, 1994. This is an open group with members working in the area of information services and user support from all around Europe. As only a small fraction of the group can ever make a face to face meeting (50 attended the London meeting), the minutes are deliberately written for those that were unable to attend. It therefore forms a good overview of some of the work going on in this area. The minutes may be found on the Terena document server: ftp://ftp.terena.nl/terena/working-groups/wg-isus/minutes/london-12-94 -- Jill Foster

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(Revised) TERENA (was RARE) ISUS WG meeting minutes
by Jill.Foster＠newcastle.ac.uk 19 Dec '94

19 Dec '94

[Revised URL - sorry about the typing error - it was my cold - not me!! - Jill] TERENA INFORMATION SERVICES AND USER SUPPORT WORKING GROUP (ISUS WG) The ISUS WG meeting was held in London on December 1st and 2nd, 1994. This is an open group with members working in the area of information services and user support from all around Europe. As only a small fraction of the group can ever make a face to face meeting (50 attended the London meeting), the minutes are deliberately written for those that were unable to attend. It therefore forms a good overview of some of the work going on in this area. The minutes may be found on the Terena document server: ftp://ftp.terena.nl/working-groups/wg-isus/minutes/london-12-94 -- Jill Foster

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TERENA (was RARE) ISUS WG meeting minutes
by Jill.Foster＠newcastle.ac.uk 19 Dec '94

19 Dec '94

TERENA INFORMATION SERVICES AND USER SUPPORT WORKING GROUP (ISUS WG) The ISUS WG meeting was held in London on December 1st and 2nd, 1994. This is an open group with members working in the area of information services and user support from all around Europe. As only a small fraction of the group can ever make a face to face meeting (50 attended the London meeting), the minutes are deliberately written for those that were unable to attend. It therefore forms a good overview of some of the work going on in this area. The minutes may be found on the Terena document server: ftp://ftp.terena.working-groups/wg-isus/minutes/london-12-94 -- Jill Foster

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Re: FIRST Europe ?
by Harald.T.Alvestrand＠uninett.no 18 Dec '94

18 Dec '94

Consider me corrected. We definitely need FSIG-Europe. We also need a CERT/CC that operates in European time and provides incident handling. I'll shut up now :-) Harald A

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Re: Fw: Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Philippe-Andre Prindeville 16 Dec '94

16 Dec '94

On Dec 16, 16:26, Piet Beertema wrote: > Subject: Re: Fw: Re: DANTE CERT Service > Are you kidding? Involving police/government might well become > counterproductive, since their ideas about (computer) security > are often a bit strange, to put it mildly. A clear case is the > proposal recently by the Dutch government for making encryption > effectively illegal; needless to say that this led to a storm > of protest and eventually to the withdrawal of the proposal; > and to the even more rapid spreading of PGP.... Sigh. Here in France, encryption devices (including software) are considered as "armes de guerre" -- weapons of war. It is a bit difficult to imagine a division of soldiers invading any country carrying encrypt(1) on diskettes, but nonetheless the requirements for possessing and using encryption mechanisms are the same as for a 7.62mm rifle. (It's also difficult to imagine an army being immobilized because their bicycles were confiscated, but that's another story ;-) War, and the mentality that comes with it, is often opposed to reason. Anyway, let's *not* involve the "authorities" in the CERT -- they are often reactionary. -Philip

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Fw: Re: DANTE CERT Service
by P.Bryant 16 Dec '94

16 Dec '94

>Claus Kalle <Kalle(a)rrz.uni-koeln.de>: >> My impression is that the role of providing neutral ground for >> organizations like CERTs should/can be taken over by federations >> like EurOpen for Europe and the respective national groups like >> EurOpen.SE (Sweden), GUUG (Germany), NLUUG (The Netherlands) & UKUUG >> (United Kingdom) and the others. > >Would that really be a good idea? Those organisations are to my >knowledge purely Unix oriented. Would they be very interested in >pursuing security problems with VAX/VMS, MS Windows and MacOS? No, it >has to be an independent organisation. Actually, it shouldn't even be >related to networking, but to *computing*! > > Best regards, > > /Liman Having been round most of the organisations in our empires perhapse we should think again about government ones? Some the activities we are interested in are illegal so perhapse this also points to police/government or some combination. If it were at that level the funding would not be from the likes of ourselves. Paul. Paul Bryant. Rutherford Lab, Chilton, Didcot, OX11 0QX, GB Tel. +44 235 445 267 Fax. +44 235 446 626

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Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Alf Hansen 16 Dec '94

16 Dec '94

> > Could someone please advise me on *why* it is necessary or useful to > create a "FIRST-Europe?" when there is a well-established FIRST? There is no need for a FIRST-Europe. There should be only ONE FIRST. This was also the conclusion from the Hamburg meeting. Best regards, Alf H

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Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Claus Kalle 16 Dec '94

16 Dec '94

On Dec 11, 4:44pm, Simon Poole wrote: > Subject: Re: DANTE CERT Service ... > > Why would anybody fund a competitor to provide this service? > > Sorry, but the only way to go is via a trusted, neutral organisation > (Ripe, perhaps Terena). -IF- European level coordination is needed in > the first place, of which I remain unconvinced. Somehow it appears to me that all this discussion comes up because of DANTE's difficult role of being financed mostly by academic network organiz ations (="neutral"?) however DANTE being a competitive service provider. My impression is that the role of providing neutral ground for organizations like CERTs should/can be taken over by federations like EurOpen for Europe and the respective national groups like EurOpen.SE (Sweden), GUUG (Germany), NLUUG (The Netherlands) & UKUUG (United Kingdom) and the others. More info about EurOpen and the others can be found e.g. at http://iaix3.informatik.htw-dresden.de/unix_europen.html Regards, Claus Kalle Board member of the German Unix Users Group -- Claus Kalle, University of Cologne Regional Computing Center i i Systems and Networking Dept. M M The E-Mail: Kalle(a)rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE /I\ /I\ Cologne Phone: +49 221 478 5580 MIIIIIM Cathedral Fax: +49 221 478 5590 MiMiMiM Snail-Mail: Robert-Koch-Str. 10, 50931 Koeln MIMiMiM Germany

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