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Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
by Paul Wollner 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, which is attached to this email, regarding the AFRINIC’s inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its inability to meet its financial requirements. I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core registry service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their responsibility as well as commitment to the global internet to take over AFRINIC’s registration service for the time being, until litigation is settled some time later. (https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-f…) That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results come out of litigation. Regards Paul Wollner

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Re: [ripe-list] [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
by Lamiaa Chnayti 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

It makes absolute sense to pass a resource transfer policy that gives the resource members the option of not getting dragged along the risky mess AFRINIC is putting them through. But I don’t see the necessity of passing an emergency policy when we already have a resource transfer policy that has been discussed and has achieved consensus before, so it only makes sense that the board ratifies the *AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT04.* Best regards, Lamiaa CHNAYTI On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 at 13:39, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss < community-discuss(a)afrinic.net> wrote: > It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers > and pass a transfer policy. > > Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this > situation do so - let those who choose not to accept the risk profile > transfer out - problem solved. > > It is entirely within the boards powers to pass emergency policy which the > community can revoke at the next pdp should they wish to do so - and if > AfriNIC has the support claimed by members of this list there is absolutely > zero risk in this approach. > > Furthermore - such an approach would also remove the possibility of other > legal action which may be taken against them on grounds removed from the > current legal situation > > I remind everyone that AfriNIC has a duty to act in the interests of its > members - and AfriNIC has repeatedly stated in the press - and has been > echoed by various ISP associations that there is risk here - it should > therefore stand that AfriNIC provide members with a way to mitigate said > risk if it is within their powers to do so > > Again - a personal view - and again - I explicitly will not comment on the > merits or demerits of this case - since I believe that the legal system > should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this > situation. In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be > nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members > mitigate their risks as they see fit > > > Andrew > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewande88(a)gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM > *To:* Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> > *Cc:* arin-discuss <arin-discuss(a)arin.net>; secretariat < > secretariat(a)nro.net>; Community Discuss <community-discuss(a)afrinic.net>; > apnic-talk <apnic-talk(a)lists.apnic.net>; ripe-list <ripe-list(a)ripe.net>; > Members Discuss <members-discuss(a)afrinic.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service > migration to other RIRs > > Good day all, > > I think paul made some sense in his first statement (tho the statement has > been watered down now). > > If afrinic is in a financial fix or in a state where it is tending towards > a financial situation where it can no longer perform its duties, it is only > right to start weighing all viable options to keep the registry afloat. > Paul made a suggestion - tho a bit aggressively - about the NRO coming to > save the region. > I will like the community to see this as “option 1”. > > Does any other community member have any better suggestion in the (not so > likely) situation that afrinic does not have the financial capability to > carry out its duties? > > If so, please lay them out for discussion amongst the community members. > > If not, Option 1 remains the only alternative to cushion the effect of the > financial breakdown. > > That being said. I think we should think in the direction of way forward > and have a plan ready rather than crucifying Paul for being proactive. > > On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:01, Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> > wrote: > > > > Hello community > > I think I misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate > sentiments. > > Let me try this again: > In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR should help AFRINIC > (by staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core registration service > function for the time being, until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted > to avoid disruption to our African end users and businesses. > > Regards > Paul > > > > ---- On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 23:38:32 +0200 *Paul Wollner > <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net>>* wrote > ---- > > Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large. > > The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and > especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, > which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s > inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its > inability to meet its financial requirements. > > I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's > hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core registry > service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their responsibility as > well as commitment to the global internet to take over AFRINIC’s > registration service for the time being, until litigation is settled some > time later. ( > https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-f… > ) > > That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results come > out of litigation. > > Regards > Paul Wollner > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss(a)afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss(a)afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >

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Re: [ripe-list] [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
by JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

Even if a transfer policy is adopted, *before* any transfer AFRINIC has the right to verify the resources are being used according to the policies, RSA, documentation/justification provided when it was allocated/assigned, etc., etc. If the resources don’t follow the rules, the RIR (not just in the case of AFRINIC) has the right to enforce (before the transfer) the rules or reclaim the resources. Each RIR has sligtly different rules clearly, but in no case, a transfer policy shall be allowed to be used as a way to circumvent the existing rules of the origin RIR! Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 1/8/21 15:01, "Taiwo Oye" <taiwo.oyewande88(a)gmail.com> escribió: Thank you @andrew. It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers and pass a transfer policy - point 2 On Aug 1, 2021, at 13:38, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston(a)liquidtelecom.com> wrote: It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers and pass a transfer policy. Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this situation do so - let those who choose not to accept the risk profile transfer out - problem solved. It is entirely within the boards powers to pass emergency policy which the community can revoke at the next pdp should they wish to do so - and if AfriNIC has the support claimed by members of this list there is absolutely zero risk in this approach. Furthermore - such an approach would also remove the possibility of other legal action which may be taken against them on grounds removed from the current legal situation I remind everyone that AfriNIC has a duty to act in the interests of its members - and AfriNIC has repeatedly stated in the press - and has been echoed by various ISP associations that there is risk here - it should therefore stand that AfriNIC provide members with a way to mitigate said risk if it is within their powers to do so Again - a personal view - and again - I explicitly will not comment on the merits or demerits of this case - since I believe that the legal system should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this situation. In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members mitigate their risks as they see fit Andrew Get Outlook for iOS From: Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewande88(a)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM To: Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> Cc: arin-discuss <arin-discuss(a)arin.net>; secretariat <secretariat(a)nro.net>; Community Discuss <community-discuss(a)afrinic.net>; apnic-talk <apnic-talk(a)lists.apnic.net>; ripe-list <ripe-list(a)ripe.net>; Members Discuss <members-discuss(a)afrinic.net> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs Good day all, I think paul made some sense in his first statement (tho the statement has been watered down now). If afrinic is in a financial fix or in a state where it is tending towards a financial situation where it can no longer perform its duties, it is only right to start weighing all viable options to keep the registry afloat. Paul made a suggestion - tho a bit aggressively - about the NRO coming to save the region. I will like the community to see this as “option 1”. Does any other community member have any better suggestion in the (not so likely) situation that afrinic does not have the financial capability to carry out its duties? If so, please lay them out for discussion amongst the community members. If not, Option 1 remains the only alternative to cushion the effect of the financial breakdown. That being said. I think we should think in the direction of way forward and have a plan ready rather than crucifying Paul for being proactive. On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:01, Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> wrote: Hello community I think I misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate sentiments. Let me try this again: In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR should help AFRINIC (by staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core registration service function for the time being, until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted to avoid disruption to our African end users and businesses. Regards Paul ---- On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 23:38:32 +0200 Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> wrote ---- Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large. The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its inability to meet its financial requirements. I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core registry service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their responsibility as well as commitment to the global internet to take over AFRINIC’s registration service for the time being, until litigation is settled some time later. (https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-f…) That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results come out of litigation. 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shatel contact
by Randy Bush 25 Jul '21

25 Jul '21

apologies to use the list for an operational issue :) anyone with friends/contacts in shatel? many sources in their customer cone are pinging a friend's well-known infrastructure site annoyingly. i wrote to the abuse contact (in american <blush>), and got back an email from RT. i asked my son-in-law to translate and he laughed, it's farsi, not arabic <reblush>. google translate says it is a pretty useless "if you have an account maybe we can help," and of course i do not have an account. any help appreciated. thanks. randy

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Interim RIPE NCC Services WG Session on Cloud Strategy
by Felipe Victolla Silveira 22 Jul '21

22 Jul '21

Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC Services WG will be holding an interim session on our cloud strategy on 28 July at 16:00 (UTC+2). If you would like to participate, you can find the details for this session here: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2021-July/003446.ht… <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2021-July/003446.ht…> At this session we will give an update on our current thinking and hear more from the RIPE community* to see if we can find a path towards rough consensus. We will publish an initial draft strategy shortly after the WG session and continue the discussion from there. Our strategy will also include some principles for how we will engage with the community around our core services and we will discuss this in the session as well. Kind regards, Felipe Silveira Chief Operations Officer RIPE NCC *The beginning of this discussion in the RIPE NCC Services WG can be found at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2021-June/003408.ht… <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2021-June/003408.ht…>

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Three new ripe-documents published under RIPE Governance Category
by Mirjam Kuehne 20 Jul '21

20 Jul '21

Dear colleagues, As mentioned in my recent update on RIPE Labs, the following three documents are now available in the RIPE Document Store: A Guide for New RIPE Working Group Chairs (ripe-765) https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-765 Mailing List Guidelines for RIPE Working Group Chairs (ripe-764) https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-764 RIPE Meeting Programme Committee: Appointment, Roles and Responsibilities (ripe-763) https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-763 You can find other documents related to RIPE Governance here: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-documents/ripe-governance Kind regards, Mirjam Kühne

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Open House today : RIPE Community Resilience and Wellbeing
by Erik Bais 14 Jul '21

14 Jul '21

Hi, This is a short reminder that today is the Open House online meeting for the RIPE Community Resilience and Wellbeing session that we did during the RIPE82 plenary. If you like to join, please make sure you register: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house Regards, Erik Bais

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NRO Statement on Allegations Against AFRINIC
by Ulka Athale 13 Jul '21

13 Jul '21

This message is sent on behalf of the Number Resource Organization (NRO) ------------------------ The original statement is available at: https://www.nro.net/statement-of-the-number-resource-organization-on-allega… ------------------------- Statement of the Number Resource Organization on Allegations Against AFRINIC It has come to the attention of the Number Resource Organization (“NRO”) that certain members of the Internet community have expressed concerns regarding AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry (“RIR”) for Africa, and its operations. Through messages posted on various community mailing lists, allegations have been made against AFRINIC and the performance of its duties as an RIR. While the issues raised are best resolved by the RIR at issue, the NRO provides the following statement to the global Internet community. Each RIR manages services in its respective region. AFRINIC has been duly recognized globally to administer number resources in its region. The very nature of the allegations reveals a disagreement with AFRINIC on its implementation of its Registration Services Agreement as well as community-developed policy. All RIRs, on occasion, face allegations of errors in implementation of policy or agreements, and such disputes, being routine in nature, are best handled by the individual RIR and/or its community and related legal and courts system. It would be inappropriate for the NRO or any other organization to address issues that relate to the RIR’s service region and policies developed by its community. NRO Executive Council Regards, Ulka Athale Senior Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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Hisham Ibrahim Appointed Chief Community Officer
by Hans Petter Holen 12 Jul '21

12 Jul '21

Dear colleagues, I am pleased to announce the appointment of Hisham Ibrahim as our new Chief Community Officer, leading our community and engagement activities. Engagement is at the heart of all our activities as the secretariat to the RIPE community and as a membership organisation. Our community and engagement activities include community development, public policy and Internet governance, learning and development, communications, membership engagement, event organisation and our web presence. Hisham has over 15 years of experience in Internet policy and technology and a deep knowledge of the European, African and Middle Eastern markets, and is actively involved in several NOGs, peering and technical forums across three continents. I welcome him to this new role and look forward to seeing him strengthen our efforts to better serve the community and membership. Kind regards, Hans Petter Holen Managing Director, RIPE NCC

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Global internet stability is at risk due to AFRINIC's current mismanagement
by Anthony Ubah 08 Jul '21

08 Jul '21

Dear Community, We are writing this letter to let you know that AFRINIC's recent actions have brought some serious risks to the hundreds of millions of users of the Internet Ecosystem. A global internet depends on cooperation. Being one of five regional Internet Registries, AFRINIC has the power to delete the registration of more than a hundred million IP addresses. This power could be even more destructive with the addition of AS0 ROAs for space which is disputed or reclaimed. Therefore, billions users and large scale content and services that rely on those IP addresses could face instant lost of connection if AFRINIC starts revoking registrations of its members with IP addresses used in active service. Such disconnection will disrupt the connectivity of users as well as impact service at a global scale that has never been seen in human history. AFRINIC has been sending the following lines to members who have active users and service in their IP addresses: *“(AFRINIC) will in its sole discretion determine whether to immediately terminate the said Agreement as well as to proceed with the reclaiming of the aforesaid IP Number Resources.* *You are further informed that AFRINIC shall not be held liable for any loss or damage of whatever nature arising out of the present notice or any action that AFRINIC may take in accordance thereof.”* We have confirmed that many members have also received such notice on AFRINIC's pretense of violation of their RSA (Registration Service Agreement), in addition to their Bylaws, their CPM (Consolidate Policy Manual). The combined scale of those members services impacts tens of millions of Internet users and services globally. AFRINIC's claims were mainly based on the following: *1. "Any change in network or service provided, will request AFRINIC's approval and is subject to re-justification of the allocation.(NOT assignment)."* In reality, the CPM has provided a distinctive use of "Allocation" and "Assignment". Its intended allocations are for general purpose that LIRs can use or assign (or in some cases sub-allocate) and assignments are made within an allocation (or directly from AFRINIC to end users) to serve a specific purpose. To request an LIR to return its allocation when the specific purpose of the assignment has changed, has never happened in any RIR, and was never the intention of any RIR policy. *2. "AFRINIC space cannot be used outside of the AFRINIC region with the exception of soft landing space only for the purpose of supporting connectivity back to Africa. "* In fact, the community has manifested its consensus regarding the fact that there is no regional restrictions for the use of IP addresses for pre-soft landing space. The only territorial restrictions to ever gain consensus in the community specifically covers space issued after the start of the soft landing policy which is clearly stipulated under the CPM. Any act by AFRINIC to disregard this is a blatant act against the community-approved document, CPM. 3. Multiple AFRINIC resource members have been asked to provide information about third parties *that are not using addresses issued to said resource member (e.g. about BYOA(Bring Your Own Address) transit customers).* In scenarios where one resource member (A) is a customer of another resource member (B), there have been multiple instances of AFRINIC demanding that B report utilisation details of A. B is not responsible for the RIR compliance of B's customers except in regards to space issued to B under B's registration service agreement (RSA). Hence, AFRINIC's actions here attempt to force the resource member to violate customer confidentiality and potentially violate data protection laws. We know of a number of members whose resource requests have been delayed or denied pending compliance with such demands. In some cases, AFRINIC has gone so far as to threaten RSA termination based on failure to comply with these demands. *4. "AFRINIC can disconnect millions of users and services without taking any liability and at their will whenever they would like."* *(All the references to AFRINIC's claims, in their actual wording that were sent to the resource members, have been attached at the bottom of this letter, except for point 4, which was shared at the beginning of the letter)* The above claims do not correspond with AFRINIC's governing documents (CPM, RSA, and bylaw). They are a misinterpretation of those documents that have led to an incorrect conclusion. Using those claims to manage people’s network and trying to reclaim people active and legitimately utilised IP addresses without having any concerns about the end users or services that are being impacted is a direct and serious threat to the global internet. We are hoping the global community can realise and act together, to right this wrong. If you are part of AFRINIC's resource membership, please speak out and express your need for:: *1. **The freedom to run your network as you see fit* *2. **The ability to protect the internet connectivity of your users.* 3. *The ability to disclose only that data which is necessary for the legitimate administrative purposes of the registry.* The reference details of AFRINIC’s claims are shown as below: *Point 1:* *“AFRINIC acknowledges the feedback provided and further takes note that the current utilisation of the allocated no longer matches the "needs" expressed when resources were issued, in accordance with the RSA and we hereby refer you to clause 6(d)(iii) of the RSA; which your organisation signed, thereby acknowledged and agreed that the “right of use” of IP Number Resources is bestowed within the ambit of the “need” which is* *justified in its application and for no other purpose during the currency of the present agreement.”* *Point 2:* *“AFRINIC space cannot be used outside of the AFRINIC region with the exception of soft landing space only for the purpose of supporting connectivity back to Africa according to section 6 of the bylaw"* Section 6 of the bylaws only states what type of membership each entity qualifies for and the requirements of said membership, nothing about IP usage. The relevant portion of section 6 is below: 6.1) Subject to the other provisions of this Article, membership shall be open to: ● Any Person who is geographically based within, and providing services in the African region, and who is engaged in the use of, or business of providing, open system protocol network services; or ● Any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members. *Point 3:* AFRINIC requests the following information to its member regarding a customer that does not use his AFRINIC IP: *“Kindly provide the name and the actual service being provided to that client. Moreover, please share with us the reason that the client gave to justify their need for a third-party AS number. You may alternatively share the agreement which you have with that particular customer.”* The signatures of dozens of community members and resource members are attached in the Google drive link below : https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-4ihJZjnDpca4F0JUL8N3yY_eoGhiEjX?us… Regards,

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