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Re: [members-discuss] New Charging Scheme
by Christian 'wiwi' Wittenhorst 03 Aug '11

03 Aug '11

Hello Simon, Hello Erik, Dear List, >> - linear: An IP address should have a price. An LIR with a /12 allocation >> uses 256 times the resources of an LIR with a /20. This should be >> reflected in the fee. > No, they don't. See above. Of course, they do ;-) IPv4 address space is a scarce and valuable resource now. And a /12 user occupies a lot more that limited resource than a /20 user does. If someone justifies a /12, Internet is obviously a major part of his business (or he's incredibly huge). And more importantly, he uses a major part of the limited resource. A "fee" of EUR 0.002 per IP is more than reasonable. > How about the annual fee, calculated at the end of each calendar year is comprised of: > > - A base RIPE "membership" fee > - A "maintenance" fee for each allocation to the LIR (e.g. EUR 50 per > allocation, like the PI blocks) > - A "allocation" fee for each allocation made in the previous 12 months. I strongly feel that there should be a fee on IP address consumption (e.g. the EUR 0.002/IP Address). I tried to avoid the "per usage" fee as it will make billing more complicated. I personally would not care about EUR 50 per allocation request. > But what about the other objects ? ASN: I would give away ASN for free. We have rules in place that define, when an ASN is justified. The supply of ASN is unlimited for all pratical means. Don't forget": In my proposal, every resource owner will pay at least EUR 500, so this should be covered. Besides, an ASN is not very useful on its own without associated address space. We could follow ARIN: Pay EUR 500 per ASN (and USD 100 per year once per organization). PI space: Just treat it as usual, either have a sponsoring entity, where is just counts as regular IP address space, or become an extra small LIR on your own. IPv6: Have no clear opinion on this. For now, I would give it away for free now and let's discuss the matter, when IPv6 traffic approaches 25% of IPv4 traffic. >> - Major players pay EUR 5500 at most, which will be less than "peanuts" >> for them. > Not necessarily. Okay, most LIRs are also ISPs, but not all. You can't assume > that for an LIR that a bigger allocation means a bigger revenue stream. Let's assume "less than /16" (2012: "large" category) for "major player". So you can justify more than 65k addresses, you have at least 65k services instances allocated to these addresses, which will need some kind of hardware. The EUR 0.002 will NEVER be an important part of your budget. We are a government funded, small "ISP" that's confined to the schoolyard. We're providing services for the schools in our district. The budget of our associated schools exceed EUR 40M/y easily. So don't tell me, that EUR 5k will be a problem for anyone who can honestly justify more than a /16. Just as a reminder, the comparison the RIPE2012 proposal and the ARIN fees: wiwi RIPE2012 ARIN /23 EUR 502 EUR 250 USD 1250 /22 EUR 502 EUR 750 USD 1250 /21 EUR 904 EUR 1750 USD 1250 /20 EUR 1308 EUR 1750 USD 2250 /19 EUR 1716 EUR 2500 USD 2250 /18 EUR 2132 EUR 2500 USD 4500 /17 EUR 2565 EUR 2500 USD 4500 /16 EUR 3031 EUR 2500 USD 4500 /15 EUR 3562 EUR 5000 USD 9000 /14 EUR 4224 EUR 5000 USD 9000 /13 EUR 5148 EUR 5000 USD 14000 /12 EUR 6597 EUR 5000 USD 14000 /11 EUR 9094 EUR 7500 USD 14000 /10 EUR 13688 EUR 7500 USD 14000 /9 EUR 22477 EUR 7500 USD 14000 /8 EUR 39654 EUR 15000 USD 14000 Calculation is simple: EUR 500 + ((log2(#IPv4)-10)*EUR 400+(EUR 0.002*#IPv4). My assumptions were: EUR 15M with 7100 members results in EUR 2100 need per member and per year in average, so a /18+ will pay more than the average share. Having members with less than EUR 500 fee is not useful, commercially. ...a and get me right, please: RIPE does a great job, no doubt. I do NOT want to deplete RIPE of money. Greetings from rainy Switzerland wiwi ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ First click on General and then click on Edit. At the bottom of the page you can add or remove addresses.

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RE: [members-discuss] idea Christian 'wiwi' Wittenhorst
by Erik Bais 03 Aug '11

03 Aug '11

Hi Jørgen, > Paying for an "object" in a "database" is kindof silly as there are > little or no expenses related to a database itself these days. If it > would be up to me I would get 1x /18 instead of 2x /19 in the > beginning, > but RIPE NCC didn't approve on that. I shouldn't be punished because I > am "saving" resources by using /19s instead of a /18 which was forced > upon me by RIPE NCC. I don't think you understand what the job of the RIPE hostmasters is about. It is not their role (or nature) to punish you, if you motivate why you require specific resources, you will get them (within the policies that are currently in place.) If you didn't provide the correct motivation, sobbing here doesn't make it better. The hostmasters only do their job, as it is our job to discuss and change the policies if we don't agree with the current model. Paying per object does actually reflect somewhat on the amount of labor/time/effort that the RIPE NCC workforce has to deal with you. Just my 2cp. Erik ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ First click on General and then click on Edit. At the bottom of the page you can add or remove addresses.

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Reminder: Global IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey 2011
by Paul Rendek 25 Jul '11

25 Jul '11

[Apologies for duplicate mails] Dear Colleagues, There's just one week left to complete the Global IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey 2011. Take part online now at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GlobalIPv6survey2011 This survey has been designed by GNKS Consult in collaboration with TNO and the RIPE NCC to further understand where the community stands on IPv6 and what needs be done to ensure that the Internet community is ready for the widespread adoption of IPv6. Anyone can participate in this survey and we hope that the results will establish a comprehensive view of current IPv6 penetration and future plans for IPv6 deployment. The survey comprises 23 questions and can be completed in about 15 minutes. For those without IPv6 allocations or assignments or who have not yet deployed IPv6, there will be fewer questions. The survey will close on 31 July 2011. We thank you for your time and interest in completing this survey. If you have any questions concerning the survey, please email <info(a)gnksconsult.com>. For more information about the survey and links to previous year's survey results, please see: https://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/news/industry-developments/globa… Regards, Paul Rendek RIPE NCC Head of External Relations and Communication

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Global IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey 2011 Now Open
by Paul Rendek 04 Jul '11

04 Jul '11

Dear Colleagues, The Global IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey 2011 is now online at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GlobalIPv6survey2011 This survey has been designed by GNKS Consult in collaboration with TNO and the RIPE NCC to further understand where the community stands on IPv6 and what needs be done to ensure that the Internet community is ready for the widespread adoption of IPv6. Anyone can participate in this survey and we hope that the results will establish a comprehensive view of current IPv6 penetration and future plans for IPv6 deployment. The survey comprises 23 questions and can be completed in about 15 minutes. For those without IPv6 allocations or assignments or who have not yet deployed IPv6, there will be fewer questions. The survey will close on 31 July 2011. We thank you for your time and interest in completing this survey. If you have any questions concerning the survey, please email <info(a)gnksconsult.com>. For more information about the survey and links to previous year's survey results, please see: https://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/news/industry-developments/globa… Regards, Paul Rendek RIPE NCC Head of External Relations and Communication

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RIPE NCC closed on Friday 8 July 2011
by Saskia van Gorp 04 Jul '11

04 Jul '11

Dear Colleagues, Our office will be closed on Friday 8 July 2011 due to the annual RIPE NCC Summer Outing. Normal office hours will resume on Monday 11 July 2011. Regards, Saskia van Gorp RIPE NCC Facilities, Administration & Reception Manager

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RIPE NCC Membership and Stakeholder Survey 2011
by Paul Rendek 30 Jun '11

30 Jun '11

[Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear colleagues, We are delighted to report that the RIPE NCC Membership and Stakeholder Survey 2011, which closed on 18 June, received 1,266 responses. These responses will be extremely important in finding out the views of RIPE NCC members and other stakeholders on the direction the RIPE NCC should be taking as an organisation. An independent third party, the Oxford Internet Institute (OII), will conduct the analysis of the survey data. Any information that may identify the respondents will be removed by the OII and will not be made available to the RIPE NCC or published in the report. The results of the survey will be presented at the RIPE 63 Meeting, which takes place in Vienna, Austria from 31 October - 4 November 2011. ============ iPad winners ============ To encourage participation in the survey, the RIPE NCC offered five iPads to respondents. We would like to congratulate the following five people, who were randomly drawn by the OII as the winners of the iPads. - James Blessing, Limelight Networks - Bror-Erik Karlsson, Anvia Registry - David Alldritt, Highnet - Abdullah Alzaher, Arabcircle Internet Services - Sergey Sysoev, Tomsk Polytechnic University We would like to thank all those who took the time to participate in this crucial survey for the RIPE NCC. Best regards, Paul Rendek Head of Communications and External Relations RIPE NCC

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RIPE Whoisserver issue
by yassia savadogo 23 Jun '11

23 Jun '11

Need help to install RIPE whois server What I get executing the command : # src/whois-server -p /opt/whoisserver/whoisd.pid -c conf/rip.config Configuration [conf/rip.config]: Whois port: 1 Config port: 2 Mirror port: 3 Lookup port: 4 Update port: 5 for DB-TEST *Running* as root, dropping privileges: getpwnam failed for dbase - Success *** died: +634 modules/sv/server.c *** Backtrace with command line /usr/bin/gdb -q -batch -x /usr/local/whois/conf/gdbcomm --pid=13550 1>&2 [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0xb70beb70 (LWP 13551)] 0xb775f424 in __kernel_vsyscall () #0 0xb775f424 in __kernel_vsyscall () No symbol table info available. #1 0xb732502b in waitpid () from /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #2 0xb72c6e63 in ?? () from /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #3 0xb72c71f2 in system () from /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #4 0xb73e23bd in system () from /lib/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #5 0x08086f55 in do_nice_die (line=634, file=0x80f1f1c "modules/sv/server.c") at modules/th/thread.c:341 buf = "/usr/bin/gdb -q -batch -x /usr/local/whois/conf/gdbcomm --pid=13550 1>&2\n\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\364\277w\267\260}\271\277\270\006\256\t`|\271\277B\222v\267P|\271\277\000\000\000\000D|\271\277D\006\256\t\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\002", '\000' <repeats 11 times>"\350, \004\256\t\004\000\000\000\340\000\256\t>\344v\267\364\277w\267\344\304w\267\360\031w\267`|\271\277\000\000\000\000\260}\271\277D|\271\277P|\271\277\000\000\000\000\350\004\256\t\000\000\000\000\260\002\256\t\000\000\000\000\340}\271\277\001\000\000\200\000\000\000\000\302\n9\267\350\004\256\t\000\000\000\000D\256)\267\020ii\rp|\271\277\026\212v\267f\b*\267\024]=\267\330|\271\277\204|\271\277D\212v\267\224g)\267\021ii"... #6 0x080840bc in SV_start (pidfile=0x9abc290 "/opt/whoisserver/whoisd.pid") at modules/sv/server.c:634 passwent = 0x0 procuser = 0x9adfc80 "dbase" lenproc = 6 whois_port = 1 config_port = 2 mirror_port = 3 lookup_port = 4 update_port = 5 update_mode = 2 pid_fd = 9 nwrite = 5 tval = {tv_sec = 1308820269, tv_usec = 763583} starttime = "p\373\255\t\300\373\255\t\240\373\255\t$TIMESTAMP whois_rip-$PID/$TID UD-$SEV-$SEVERITY $MESSAGE\n\000\t\000\000\0\260\277!\b\370\301\b\b\230\200\271\277"\b\024\351\016\b\t\004\000\000;\303\006\bx\254!\bF\301\006\b\000\000\000\00 server_pid = "13550\000\255\t \343\016\b\240\345\037\b" ---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit--- source_hdl = 0x0 source_name = 0x81fe138 "\\\331\037\b\370\310w\267" source = 1 db_connection = 0x9adfc20 shutdown_pipe = {134679113, -1078362104} retval = 1 ufds = {fd = 0, events = 32728, revents = -16455} myrlimit = {rlim_cur = 18446744073709551615, rlim_max = 18446744073709551615} #7 0x08063c56 in main (argc=5, argv=0xbfb98194) at whois-server_src/whois-server.c:190 prop_file_name = 0x9abc2b0 "organisation" pid_file_name = 0x9abc290 "/opt/whoisserver/whoisd.pid" result = 0x9abc200 "" c = -1 ret = 135192937 errflg = 0 boot_ctx = 0x9abc200 *** Signal 11 caught by PID 13550, segfault handler starting Erreur de segmentation Savadogo Yassia yassias(a)yahoo.fr

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Last 10 Days!: AP2PS 2011 || November 20-25, 2011 - Lisbon, Portugal
by Cristina Pascual 23 Jun '11

23 Jun '11

INVITATION: ================= Note that the submission deadline has been extended to July 1st, 2011. Please consider to contribute to and/or forward to the appropriate groups the following opportunity to submit and publish original scientific results. In addition, authors of selected papers will be invited to submit extended article versions to one of the IARIA Journals: http://www.iariajournals.org ================= ============== AP2PS 2011 | Call for Papers =============== CALL FOR PAPERS, TUTORIALS, PANELS AP2PS 2011: The Third International Conference on Advances in P2P Systems November 20-25, 2011 - Lisbon, Portugal General page: http://www.iaria.org/conferences2011/AP2PS11.html Call for Papers: http://www.iaria.org/conferences2011/CfPAP2PS11.html - regular papers - short papers (work in progress) - industrial presentations - posters - ideas Submission page: http://www.iaria.org/conferences2011/SubmitAP2PS11.html Submission deadline: July 1st, 2011 Sponsored by IARIA, www.iaria.org Extended versions of selected papers will be published in IARIA Journals: http://www.iariajournals.org Please note the Poster Forum and Work in Progress (short papers) options. The topics suggested by the conference can be discussed in term of concepts, state of the art, research, standards, implementations, running experiments, applications, and industrial case studies. Authors are invited to submit complete unpublished papers, which are not under review in any other conference or journal in the following, but not limited to, topic areas. All tracks are open to both research and industry contributions, in terms of Regular papers, Posters, Work in progress, Technical/marketing/business presentations, Demos, Tutorials, and Panels. Before submission, please check and comply with the Editorial rules: http://www.iaria.org/editorialrules.html AP2PS 2011 Topics (topics and submission details: see CfP on the site) Architectures and protocols Search protocols; Publish and subscribe systems; Overlay based multicast; Multilayer systems; Locality awareness; Gossip-based and epidemic protocols; Integration with network operators and service providers; Autonomic computing and networking; Semantic P2P; Opportunistic networking Applications Content delivery networks; Cloud computing; Public resource computing; Aggregate computing; Web services; Computational, service, and storage Grids; Voice and video streaming and IPTV; Collaborative platforms and social networks ; Network management; Wireless sensor networks; Scientific computing and workflow management systems; Green computing Prototypes and simulations Implementations; Comparative performance analysis; Dependability, resilience and availability; Scalability; Stability; Benchmarking and optimization; Quality of experience Security, trust and reputation Privacy & Anonymity; Trust and reputation management; Free-riding prevention; Authentication and identity management; Fairness and Incentive models; Virtual economies; Digital rights management; Content filtering P2P and wireless convergence P2P in cellular networks; P2P in wireless networks; P2P in ad hoc networks; Integrated approaches; Energy efficiency ---------------------- AP2PS General Chairs Nick Antonopoulos, University of Derby, UK Antonio Liotta, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands Giuseppe Di Fatta, The University of Reading, UK AP2PS Advisory Chairs Marco Aiello, University of Groningen, The Netherlands Takahiro Hara, University of Osaka, Japan Ouri Wolfson, University of Illinois at Chicago, USA AP2PS 2011 Industry Liaison Chair Christoph Schuba, Oracle Corp., USA Roman Y. Shtykh, Rakuten, Inc., Japan AP2PS 2011 Research Chairs Yasushi Kambayashi, Nippon Institute of Technology, Japan Anders Fongen, Norwegian Defense Research Establishment, Norway Quang Hieu Vu, ETISALAT BT Innovation Center (EBTIC)/ Khalifa University, UAE Committee: http://www.iaria.org/conferences2011/ComAP2PS11.html ====================

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Last 10 Days: EMERGING 2011 || November 20-25, 2011 - Lisbon, Portugal
by Cristina Pascual 23 Jun '11

23 Jun '11

INVITATION: ================= Note that the submission deadline has been extended to July 1st, 2011. Please consider to contribute to and/or forward to the appropriate groups the following opportunity to submit and publish original scientific results. In addition, authors of selected papers will be invited to submit extended article versions to one of the IARIA Journals: http://www.iariajournals.org ================= ============== EMERGING 2011 | Call for Papers =============== CALL FOR PAPERS, TUTORIALS, PANELS EMERGING 2011: The Third International Conference on Emerging Network Intelligence November 20-25, 2011 - Lisbon, Portugal General page: http://www.iaria.org/conferences2011/EMERGING11.html Call for Papers: http://www.iaria.org/conferences2011/CfPEMERGING11.html - regular papers - short papers (work in progress) - industrial presentations - posters - ideas Submission page: http://www.iaria.org/conferences2011/SubmitEMERGING11.html Submission deadline: July 1st, 2011 Sponsored by IARIA, www.iaria.org Extended versions of selected papers will be published in IARIA Journals: http://www.iariajournals.org Please note the Poster Forum and Work in Progress options. The topics suggested by the conference can be discussed in term of concepts, state of the art, research, standards, implementations, running experiments, applications, and industrial case studies. Authors are invited to submit complete unpublished papers, which are not under review in any other conference or journal in the following, but not limited to, topic areas. All tracks are open to both research and industry contributions, in terms of Regular papers, Posters, Work in progress, Technical/marketing/business presentations, Demos, Tutorials, and Panels. Before submission, please check and comply with the Editorial rules: http://www.iaria.org/editorialrules.html EMERGING 2011 Topics (topics and submission details: see CfP on the site) Evolution of telecommunications network architectures Advanced communications systems; New configurable protocols stacks and real-time mechanisms; Applications and services for next-generation architectures; Scalability and manageability of network architectures; Opportunistic and cooperative communications; Next generation networks (NGN); Optical networks; Wireless networks, Mobile networks; Ad-Hoc, Sensor, Vehicle networks; Access, Residential, Last mile networks; Home, Body and Personal area Networks; Active networks; Self Organizing networks; Storage area networks; Peer-to-Peer and overlay networks; Network measurements and testbeds; Transmission technologies (e.g., Ultra Wideband) Applications and services Peer-to-Peer applications and services; Web services; Mobile applications; Entertainment and games; Home automation; Surveillance, Home monitoring; Medical and health applications; e-commerce, m-commerce; Location-based services; Real-time and multimedia applications; Real-time services over IP Networking and service differentiation Network design and planning; Network management and control; Traffic engineering; Traffic control, Flow control; Congestion and admission control; QoS support and Performance; Routing, Switching, QoS routing; Mobility management; Multicast; Service reliability, availability Emerging networking Network coding; Visualization of network behavior; Semantic routing; Network flow processing; Cross-layer design and optimization; High-speed networking; Context-aware mobile networking Advanced network elements Network processors; Content addressable memories; Multi-core processors; Context-aware reconfigurable devices; Portable and wearable devices; Mobile multimedia devices Optimization Power optimization in data centers; Delay and fault tolerant networks; Video conferencing and telepresence systems; Resource optimization; Context-aware optimization Quality Quality of service; Quality of performance; Quality of experience; Quality of data; Quality of modeling; Quality-oriented routing; Quality of context /degradation, trust, uncertainty, consistency/ Smartness Cognitive radio; Autonomic and dependable communications; Ambient systems; Identity and location in mobile environments; Smart homes; Brain-like networking and computing Discovery Resource discovery; Service discovery; Content discovery; Flaws/anomaly discovery Protection Anticipative control and management; Data protection strategies; Collaborative Internet attack containment; Micro-kernels and robustness Security Trust and credential negotiations; Privacy; Intrusion prevention and containment; Security in virtualization approach; Architectural support for security; Security, privacy, and dependability; Security in cooperative networks Programmability Programmable and real-time network traffic measurements; Adaptive scheduling; Network and application load balancing; High-performance capabilities-based networks; Software techniques to improve virtualized I/O performance End-user Frequently changing user profile; User mobility and ubiquity; Scalable and resource intensive multi-user distributed applications; User identity and multi-service access technologies; End-user perception; End-user based networking and service orchestration; End-user activity recognition with multiple goals Mobility Mobile Internet services; Mobility-oriented protocols /Mobile IP, etc./; Wearable and/or mobile technologies; Self-discovery and localizing entities; Seamless handover Ubiquity Ubiquitous computing; Pervasive and embedded systems; Ubiquitous sustainability; Sensing location; Activity patterns; Smart environments in the workplaces; Ubiquitous cities Semantics and Adaptiveness Content-aware networks; Network-aware applications; Semantic Web; Adaptive systems; Adaptive applications; Self-adaptiveness; Ontology-based adaptation; Semantic profile; Semantic service orchestration; Multi-technology semantic integration /sensors, ehealth, geosensing, etc./ Wireless Wireless access technologies / WLANs, WiMAX, satellite, 3G, etc./; Multi-hop wireless networks /sensor, ad hoc, mesh, etc./; Wireless QoS and reliability; Wireless body area networks; Energy optimization Emerging technologies and applications Vehicular ad hoc networks; Bio-inspired networks; Tele-medicine/e-health networks; User-centric services and applications; Autonomous and autonomic systems; Self-manageable systems; Emerging computation business models; Social networks; eSociety --------------- EMERGING Advisory Chairs Raj Jain, Washington University in St. Louis, USA Michael D. Logothetis, University of Patras, Greece Tulin Atmaca, IT/Telecom&Management SudParis, France Phuoc Tran-Gia, University of Wuerzburg, Germany Nuno M. Garcia, Universidade Lus�fonas de Humanidades e Tecnologias, Lisboa, Portugal EMERGING 2011 Industry Liaison Chairs Krishna Murthy, Quintiles, USA Tadashi Araragi, Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation � Kyoto, Japan Robert Foster, Edgemount Solutions - Plano, USA EMERGING 2011 Research Chair David Carrera, Barcelona Supercomputing Center (BSC) / Universitat Politecnica de Catalunya (UPC), Spain Committee: http://www.iaria.org/conferences2011/ComEMERGING11.html ====================

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World IPv6 Day and the RIPE NCC
by Axel Pawlik 08 Jun '11

08 Jun '11

[Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC is proud to participate in today's World IPv6 Day, a global event in which many organisations around the world are offering their content over IPv6. All of the RIPE NCC’s services and content have already been available over IPv6 for some time. We are also taking part in events in Amsterdam and Moscow, as well as conducting a wide range of IPv6-related measurements and analysis. IPv6 Eye Chart ============== If you want to find out if you will have problems accessing websites during World IPv6 Day, you can use the IPv6 Eye Chart: http://ipv6eyechart.ripe.net/ World IPv6 Day Dashboard ======================== All the IPv6 measurements carried out by the RIPE NCC are available at: http://v6day.ripe.net Amsterdam Event =============== The World IPv6 Day event in Amsterdam features tutorials, workshops, panel discussions and keynote speeches on IPv6. You can follow the event live at: http://webcolleges.uva.nl/mediasite/Viewer/?peid=bee87df6f35d4943adaff2ad98… Moscow Event ============ World IPv6 Day is being celebrated during the RIPE Day at the first meeting of the Eurasia Network Operators Group (ENOG), taking place in Moscow. Throughout the day, there will be IPv6-related presentations, a special meeting for the press and screens tracking the measurements being conducted by the RIPE NCC. A webcast of the event is available at: http://www.enog.org/programme/webcast/ Best regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC

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