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problems with auto-dbm?
by Tiberiu Ungureanu 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

Hello. I am trying to create/delete and modify some objects in Ripe database, and it seems that auto-dbm doesn't want to talk to me :( Is it a general problem, or should i check for a PEBKAC? -- Tiberiu Ungureanu Network Engineer iNES Group SRL - Internet Dept. Tel: +40 21 2322112 / Fax: +40 21 2323461 Public GnuPG Key at http://www.ines.ro/public_keys/tbb.gpg

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Reminder: RIPE NCC Regional Meeting, Moscow 15 - 16 September 2005
by Membership Liaison Officer 28 Jul '05

28 Jul '05

[Apologies for duplicate e-mails] Dear Colleagues, We would like to remind you that registration is open for the second RIPE NCC Regional Meeting in Moscow. The meeting will be held 15 - 16 September 2005 at the Moscow Marriott Grand Hotel in Moscow, Russia. Attendance to the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting is open and free of charge. However, attendees are responsible for covering their own travel and accommodation costs. MEETING VENUE Marriott Grand Hotel 26/1 Tverskaya Street Moscow, 125009 Russian Federation Phone: +7 095 9370000 Fax: +7 095 9370001 More information about the meeting venue can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2005/meeting-venue.html REGISTRATION Registration for the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting is now open. Registration will close on Friday, 9 September 2005. To register, please see: https://lirportal.ripe.net/lirportal/meeting/registration/meeting.html?id=6 AGENDA The agenda for the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting is available at: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2005/agenda.html We have reserved space in the agenda for presentations from the local community on current issues affecting the region. If there is a particular presentation or topic you would like included in the agenda, please send your suggestion to: <contact(a)ripe.net> VISA INFORMATION If you will need a visa to attend this meeting, please read the information available at: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2005/visa.html MORE INFORMATION More information about the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting in Moscow is available from: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2005/index.html If you have any further questions, please contact: <contact(a)ripe.net> Regards, Nathalie Dougall Membership Liaison Officer RIPE NCC www.ripe.net

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Status of 'org' attribute
by MarcoH 13 Jul '05

13 Jul '05

[appologies for cross-posting this] Hi all, Maybe I missed out on something, but accoording to various templates in the ripe-databese, the org-attribute is optional. Apparently the hostmaster mailrobot things otherwise and refuses requests with an error because of the org-attribute not being present. I just ran into it on a ASN request, but I recall having problems before with this. Can anybody tell me who is right, the database template or the robot ? In fact, the database reference (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/databaseref-manual.html#1.2.3) doesn't list it all. Grtx, MarcoH

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A planned power outage tomorrow
by Andrei Robachevsky 12 Jul '05

12 Jul '05

Dear Colleagues, We were notified by the energy company that tomorrow, starting from 6 a.m. UTC, there will be a planned power outage in one of the RIPE NCC buildings. We are working now on providing power feeds to the equipment to eliminate any possible disruption of the services. However a risk still exists that we will have to shut down some of the servers, depending on the duration of the outage. We will notify you in such case. Best regards, Andrei Robachevsky CTO, RIPE NCC

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Fwd: Last Call for Input: RIPE NCC Membership Survey 2005
by Kurt Erik Lindqvist 07 Jul '05

07 Jul '05

All, please see below the final reminder of the NCC Membership Survey! Best regards, - kurtis - Begin forwarded message: >> [Apologies for duplicate e-mails] >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> There are only 48 hours left for you to fill in the RIPE NCC >> Membership Survey 2005. The survey will close on Friday, 8 July >> 2005. If you have not yet completed the survey, please take the >> time to do so. >> >> Your contribution to this survey is important, and offers you the >> opportunity to influence the future directions and services of the >> RIPE NCC. I strongly urge all our members to complete this survey >> and make sure that your opinions are heard. >> >> The survey is available at: >> http://www.ripe.net/membership/survey2005 >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Axel Pawlik >> Managing Director >> RIPE NCC >> www.ripe.net >> > > > ******************** > Nathalie Dougall > Membership Liaison Officer > RIPE NCC > www.ripe.net > >

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DNSSEC deployment on the reverse tree.
by Olaf M. Kolkman 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

[Apologies for duplicates] Dear Colleagues The RIPE NCC has been involved with the development of the DNSSEC protocol. Now that the protocol has become available, we plan to implement DNSSEC on our domains in the reverse DNS tree. The deployment of DNSSEC is the second and last phase of the Reverse DNS restructuring project. You can find more information about this project at: http://www.ripe.net/rs/reverse/dnssec/index.html To implement DNSSEC, we propose extending the policy for Policy for Reverse Address Delegation of IPv4 and IPv6 Address Space in the RIPE NCC Service Region. You can find the proposed policy at: http://www.ripe.net/rs/reverse/dnssec/draft-dnssec-policy.html. We welcome your feedback on this poposal before 1 August 2005. Please send your comments to the DNS Working Group Mailing List. We are also introducing two new procedures: "DNSSEC Key Maintenance Procedure" http://www.ripe.net/rs/reverse/dnssec/key-maintenance-procedure.html and "Procedure for Requesting DNSSEC Delegations" http://www.ripe.net/rs/reverse/dnssec/registry-procedure.html Your feedback on these drafts is also welcome, again please send this to the DNS Working Group Mailing List. As part of the "Procedure for Requesting DNSSEC Delegations" we plan to add a "ds-rdata:" attribute to DOMAIN objects. Regards Olaf M Kolkman New Projects, RIPE NCC.

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Announcement: RIPE NCC Regional Meeting, Moscow 15 - 16 September 2005
by Membership Liaison Officer 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

[Apologies for duplicate e-mails] Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC is pleased to announce the second RIPE NCC Regional Meeting in Moscow. The meeting will be held 15 - 16 September 2005 in Moscow, Russia. The meeting venue will be announced shortly. Attendance to the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting is open and free of charge. However, attendees are responsible to cover their own travel and accommodation costs. REGISTRATION Registration for the Regional Meeting is now open. Registration will close on Friday, 9 September 2005. To register, please see: https://lirportal.ripe.net/lirportal/meeting/registration/meeting.html?id=6 AGENDA A preliminary agenda will be available shortly on our website. We have reserved space in the agenda for presentations from the local community on current issues affecting the region. If there is a particular presentation or topic you would like included in the agenda, please send your suggestion to: <contact(a)ripe.net> VISA INFORMATION If you require a visa invitation letter, please contact Chistyakova Nastya at the RU-CENTER by e-mail at: <ach(a)ripn.net> When requesting a visa invitation letter, the following information is needed, including a scanned copy of your passport: Full name: Date of birth: Gender: Passport number: Single or multiple entry visa needed: Dates of stay in Russia: Place/Country of birth: Country of residence: Company name: Position in company: Work address: Visa to be received from: (City, Country) Arrival and departure cities: Chistyakova Nastya must receive your information no later than Monday, 15 August 2005. MORE INFORMATION More information about the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting in Moscow is available from: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/moscow-2005/index.html Any further questions can be sent directly to: <contact(a)ripe.net> Regards, Nathalie Dougall Membership Liaison Officer RIPE NCC www.ripe.net

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] RIPE50 - NCC Services WG Draft Minutes
by Pavel Vachek 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Dear Sir, let me second Mr. Hank Nussbacher's proposal. CESNET, the Czech Republic NREN, had been using the RIPE NCC hostcount data since 1997 for the same purpose. Its use is briefly described in the CESNET 1998 Annual report: http://www.cesnet.cz/doc/zprava1998/kap04.html (unfortunately, only the Czech language version seems to be available now). This data has been extremely useful for us as it helped us find organisations trying to misuse the CESNET IP space. Our access to the raw hostcount data stopped in January 2005 as well. Best regards, Pavel Vachek, CESNET NIC, Prague, The Czech Republic. On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > As someone who was not at RIPE50 but who uses hostcount, I would like to > add my comments and support. I find this service extremely useful. One > real world use is as follows: the university network in Israel has IP > addresses spanning a range of about 16 /16s. All domain names inside the > universities should terminate with ac.il or at the worst org.il. But > often students take a university Unix system that they have access to and > start using it for non-academic purposes (left as an exercise for the > reader to think of what constitutes non-academic :-)). Using grep on the > raw data file I can easily spot those systems that are running > questionable content based on their domain name (co.il for example). > > Sometimes, hackers change an IP address to some name that has certain > character strings that are unique to the hacker realm. By running a > series of greps on the raw data file I can find those systems that may > have been compromised and contact the appropriate ISP in Israel. > > So please - make hostcount work again. Incidentally, it stopped working > in Jan 2005. > > Regards, > Hank

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Fwd: Final Deadline - 2005 RIPE NCC Membership Survey
by Bijal Sanghani 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Hi All, Just over a week till the deadline for the membership survey, if you haven't already please take a moment to fill out the form. Its our chance to influence the future direction and services of the RIPE NCC. Thanks, -bijal :) > [Apologies for duplicate e-mails] > > Dear Colleagues, > > The deadline for completing the 2005 RIPE NCC Membership Survey is > Friday, 8 July 2005. If you have not sent us your input yet, > please take the time to do this. Your contribution to this survey > is important to us. By filling in the 2005 RIPE NCC Membership > Survey, you can influence the future direction and services of the > RIPE NCC. > > The results of the survey, conducted independently by KPMG, will be > incorporated into the RIPE NCC's long-term strategy. I strongly > urge all members to complete this survey and make sure that your > opinion is heard. > > The survey is available at: > http://www.ripe.net/membership/survey2005 > > Kind regards, > > Axel Pawlik > Managing Director > RIPE NCC > www.ripe.net

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RIPE50 - NCC Services WG Draft Minutes
by Bijal Sanghani 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

Dear All, Please see draft minutes from the NCC Services Working Group at RIPE 50. Please send any questions, comments or clarifications to Kurtis, myself or this mailing list. regards, Bijal ---- RIPE NCC Services Working Group Agenda Date: Thursday, 5 May 2005 Time: 16:00 - 17:00 Room: Plenary Room A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Select a Scribe * Distribute Participants List * Finalise Agenda * Approve Minutes: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/ncc-services/r49- minutes.html B. Report from the RIPE NCC - Axel Pawlik http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-serv- ncc-new.pdf Axel noted that the reporting on the RIPE NCC would not be repeated in the General Meeting, scheduled to take place at 17:00. Registration Services Training Engineering New Projects Coordination Communications Membership Relations External Relations There were no questions. C. New LIR Survey - Results and Feedback - Paul Rendek (RIPE NCC) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50- services-new-lir.pdf There were no questions. D. A New Version of the Hostcount http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-serv- hostcount.pdf RIPE NCC Timur requests feedback on the value of this service. Questions: Kurtis asks how many are using this whois data? Counts...yes, a few people using this data. Anyone has any comments about proposed changes? +/- 49 mins... Lars-Johan Liman (Netnod): Are you going to use this host query all over? Timur: Yes. Lars-Johan Liman - Netnod: Because I noticed some problems with some transfers. So it should be configured to provide one answer instead of many answers.... so this is about the zone transfer format. Timur: Thank you for this. We are going to review all the projects and maybe will modify the hostcount programme itself and maybe we should do a DNS as a backend which may be better. Peter: I want to respond on the remark made by the previous gentleman The host programme is showing its age and the sad fact is that the author has passed away a couple of years ago and the program itself has been orphaned. There are some problems in dealing with the new style referrals. It would be useful to have that located at a well- known place, one of which could be the RIPE NCC. And I would be willing to contribute. As before I didn't do the coding, but it would be useful to develop that not only for the host count, but for DNS debugging as well. Timur: Well, we promised to provide a DIY kit. We will come with a replacement on modified version of software. And your input would be much appreciated. Souissi Mohsen - AFNIC: I browsed through the site and randomly did some cctld's to find out about things. I was pleasantly surprised that there are detail on every cctld. But i am quite worried about the relevance of these figures. For example the zone count. if these figures are to be used somewhere maybe there is a column missing - the estimate of error. is there mathematical way to estimate that. And do a disclaimer for people using these figures? Timur: Well, there is a disclaimer there, Souissi Mohsen - AFNIC: Because the figures are, in some parts, very far from the reality Timur: We understand that, so that's why we are not claiming that it's something really precise. Souissi Mohsen - AFNIC: Thank you anyway. Rob Blokzijl: BTW the first hostcount counted 7200 hosts. But that was never published. Comment: I was one of the few who raised their hand when you asked whether people were using it or whether it is useful. I think its extremely useful because it is one of the few long term efforts to measure something of the internet in a consistent way. It is more of a trans measurement than absolutely numbers. I would like to see some sort of continuation of this and I think its important that potential users understand what it is . What it is that you measure, what the conditions are and yes, its difficult to give error estimates, but people should use it as one of the few reliable trend figures. You can see trends in many publications, but most are based on nothing and if you take any given moment in time, you have a rich choice of various trends, like the internet is not growing anymore or the internet is exploding but at least this measures something that is definied and is not a hostcount as the name suggests, but you are measuring someting in a consistent way for many years, so you can draw some conclustions and I think that is the value. Person from Vienna: I wholly support this project and I am very pleased to see that there is further work being done on this. i would just like to ask if, for the reverse dns counts may lirs volunteer to reform the divulged counts in the same way that some of us volunteerd to perfom forward counts for the country codes? Timnur: That's perfect. We would like to see a participation. Thanks a lot. Bruce Campbell: with what you said about the accuracy - if you see the graph on the screen there is a section that says zones blocked etc. that is the closest that you will get to seeing this is how inaccurate the figures are, because for every zone where we got a block, we have a completely unknown number of hosts that we couldn't count, which is why we started collecting the reverse count because its much easier to ennumerate through the reverse zones and not necessarily forward. the downside is that people generally don't populate the reverse zones. so if you have reverse zones, its putting them in dns is good. its yet another trend. its purely a trend thing with no relation to realiity. Timur: Thank you Peter Kock - denic (one of the starting points into hostzone and long time support and i appreciate the effort and would like to see it continue). I appreciate your new considerations of acceptable use and really, there is no acceptable use. the raw data is no longer shipped, which is probably one of the pre-conditions for the cctld registries to continue support for this project. This is really important and we should talk about that. Timur: Thank you. Out of time, so no open microphone. Y. Open Microphone Z. AOB

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