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RIPE 27 - Plenary Agenda
by ncc＠ripe.net 20 May '97

20 May '97

------- Forwarded Message (headers stripped) RIPE 27 Agenda Thursday 22 May - 14:00 h ------------------------- 1. Opening 2. Agenda 3. Minutes RIPE 26 4. Actions RIPE 26 5. Top Level Domains - Report from BoF - Discussion and Conclusions - - - - - - - - Coffee Break - - - - - - - 6. RIPE NCC Report 7. RIPE NCC - New Structure 8. Report from the IETF 9. Technical Reports - TEN-34 - i-Pass Friday 23 May - 09:00 h ----------------------- 10. RIPE NCC - Test Traffic Measurements 11. WG and BoF Reports - - - - - - - - Coffee Break - - - - - - - WG and Bof Reports 12. Next Meetings 13. A.O.B. 14 Closing ------- End of Forwarded Message

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RIPE27: terminal room information
by Rene Wilhelm 16 May '97

16 May '97

As with previous RIPE-meetings, a terminal room will be available. DCU, the local host, provides PCs with MS-Windows and also made provisions for connecting laptop computers. Note that for the laptops European style power sockets will be available, so in the terminal room most people can do without an additional adaptor. For those who need to set packet filters, the terminal room will use addresses in the range 136.206.113/24 (i.e. 136.206.113.1 - 136.206.113.255) See you in Dublin, Rene Wilhelm RIPE NCC

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(no subject)
by Mandy Jonkers 15 May '97

15 May '97

Dear All, We have worked out the following schedule: (including explanation) Wednesday 21 May Thursday 22 May ---------------- --------------- QG15 QG28 QG15 QG28 9:00 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+-------------+ 10:30 | DBWS |N.S.BOF* | | DNS | |TLD Admin BOF| +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+-------------+ 11:30 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+-------------+ | DBWS |T.T. BOF* | | IPv6 |DB | | 12:30 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+-------------+ 14:00 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ |Mbone BOF*|Netnews | | plenary | 15:30 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ 16:00 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ |Routing |Local IR | | plenary | 18:00 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ Friday 28 May ------------- QG15 9:00 +-----------+ | plenary | +-----------+ 11:30 +-----------+ | plenary | 12:30 +-----------+ 14:00 +-----------+ | plenary | 15:30 +-----------+ 16:00 +-----------+ * N.S. BOF = New Structure RIPE NCC, Paul Ridley * T.T. BOF = Test Traffic Measurements, Henk Uijterwaal * Mbone re-configuration BOF, Wilfried Woeber? Kind regards, Mandy ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Ripe meeting schedule explained
by RIPE NCC Meeting Registration 15 May '97

15 May '97

Dear All, We have worked out the following schedule: (including explanation) Wednesday 21 May Thursday 22 May ---------------- --------------- QG15 QG28 QG15 QG28 9:00 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+-------------+ 10:30 | DBWS |N.S.BOF* | | DNS | |TLD Admin BOF| +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+-------------+ 11:30 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+-------------+ | DBWS |T.T. BOF* | | IPv6 |DB | | 12:30 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+-------------+ 14:00 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ |Mbone BOF*|Netnews | | plenary | 15:30 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ 16:00 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ |Routing |Local IR | | plenary | 18:00 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ Friday 28 May ------------- QG15 9:00 +-----------+ | plenary | +-----------+ 11:30 +-----------+ | plenary | 12:30 +-----------+ 14:00 +-----------+ | plenary | 15:30 +-----------+ 16:00 +-----------+ * N.S. BOF = New Structure RIPE NCC, Paul Ridley * T.T. BOF = Test Traffic Measurements, Henk Uijterwaal * Mbone re-configuration BOF, Wilfried Woeber? Kind regards, Mandy

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schedule Ripe27 Dublin 21-23 May
by RIPE NCC Meeting Registration 15 May '97

15 May '97

Dear all, After taking into account the input from the wg-chairs, here follows the firm schedule for Ripe27. Although not everybody can be pleased, we hope that this accomodates the majority. Wednesday 21 May Thursday 22 May ---------------- --------------- QG15 QG28 QG15 QG28 QG27 9:00 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+-------------+ 10:30 | DBWS | N.S BOF* | | DNS | |TLD Admin BOF| +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+-------------+ 11:30 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+-------------+ | DBWS |T.T. BOF* | | IPv6 |DB | | 12:30 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+-------------+ 14:00 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ |Mbone BOF*|Netnews | | plenary | 15:30 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ 16:00 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ |Routing |Local IR | | plenary | 18:00 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ Friday 23 May ------------- QG15 9:00 +-----------+ | plenary | +-----------+ 11:30 +-----------+ | plenary | 12:30 +-----------+ 14:00 +-----------+ | plenary | 15:30 +-----------+ 16:00 +-----------+ ------- End of Forwarded Message

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report from APRICOT & the APNIC Meeting
by Mirjam Kuehne 14 May '97

14 May '97

---- Please accept our appologies if you receive this twice ----- Dear colleagues, As announced at the last RIPE Meeting, Daniel an I travelled to Hong Kong to attend the APRICOT Conference and the APNIC annual meeting. Below you will find our report. If you have any questions or comments, please do not hesiate to ask. We (or David Randy Conrad from the APNIC) will also give a short report at the RIPE Meeting in Dublin. Please also refer to the detailed draft minutes of the APNIC meeting: ftp://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/drafts/jan97-minutes Kind Regards, Mirjam Kuehne Manager Registration Services RIPE NCC ---- APRICOT 1997 Reort Karrenberg, Kuehne ____________________________________________________ Report from the 2nd APRICOT conference and the APNIC Membership Meeting Hong Kong, January 1997 Daniel Karrenberg Mirjam Kuehne Scope This is a short report from the 1997 APRICOT confer- ence and associated meetings. It is a personal account giving just highlights and summarizing sub- jectively. Regional Registries Coordination Meeting Prior to the conference a regional Intenrnet reg- istries coordination meeting was held. Unfortu- nately IANA could not be represented as planned. InterNIC reported that a new version of the ARIN proposal had been published and has received a posi- tive response from ISPs. The discussion on the NAIPR mailing still has a high volume. The estab- lishment of ARIN is still foreseen in Q2/1997. Slow start allocation policies were discussed as APNIC will propose to implement a policy very simi- lar to the RIPE NCC one. We reported that we have been requested to make a proposal for temporary special rules to promote allocations from class A addresses. InterNIC reported that they are planning in the near future to allocate such space to larger providers which are considered capable of supporting it. The NCC will circulate its proposal to IANA and the other regional IRs for comments at the same time it is sent to the local IR WG for comments/approval. Further a number of procedural issues and specific cases were discussed in order to align the way regional registries operate. The next IANA/RIR coordination meeting is planned in conjunction with the 27th RIPE meeting in May 1997. ____________________________________________________ Page 1 APRICOT 1997 Reort Karrenberg, Kuehne ____________________________________________________ APRICOT Conference This was the 2nd APRICOT conference. Compared to the RIPE meetings the format is certainly very much more like a conference. During the first two days a large number of general tutorials was offered for a charge. Topics ranged from sendmail configuration to configuring firewalls. The presenters were top experts in their respective fields. The conference itself had four tracks: operations, applications, legal/political and business related topics. The formats used were presentations and panel discussions. The emphasis was very much on information dissemination rather than working on recommendations and common activities. There were no scheduled working group meetings. There were intesive hallway discussions. Topics for the panel discussions were somewhat over- lapping. The RIPE NCC participated in panels about Internet address regisrtation and Internet gover- nance. We had the impression that while the region is quite diverse in many aspects, there is a strong will to cooperate on many issues and there is gen- eral acceptance of the APNIC as a regional registry. Many discussions focussed on the domain name pro- posal from the IAHC. Two IAHC members were present. They stated that IAHC will publish a report soon and that they expect to see it implemented very quickly. The imminent danger of alternative DNS hierarchies disrupting DNS operations was given as a motivation for the urgency to move forward. APNIC organises the conference as requested by the APNIC membership. This is a serious amount of work part of which is done by volunteers. Some aspects of the conference are sponsored by vendors and other relevant organisations including ISPs. There also was a small vendor exhibition featuring mainly the sponsors of the meeting. Nevertheless the confer- ence has a serious turnover and associated risk. APNIC expects to loose some money on this confer- ence. This was due The situation in the Asian Pacific region is suffi- ciently different from Europe, that we believe no aspect of APRICOT is directly applicable to RIPE meetings. We could consider offering some tutorials that are very specifically geared towards ISP needs. These could also serve to get people up to speed for working group discussions. However this should be ____________________________________________________ Page 2 APRICOT 1997 Reort Karrenberg, Kuehne ____________________________________________________ introduced slowly and carefully in order to guaran- tee high quality and minimise financial exposure. Annual APNIC Membership Meeting APNIC is run by the membership who elect a five per- son executive council which makes decisions between meetings. The paid staff are referred to as the APNIC secretariat. The meeting we attended was the annual membership meeting. It can be compared to a combination of the RIPE local IR WG meetings and the yearly RIPE NCC Contributors Meeting. Most deci- sions were made by voting rather than establishing consensus. Large members have 4 votes, medium ones 2 and small ones 1 vote. Voting was open as the registry ID had to be noted on the voting slips. First two positions on the executive council had to be filled. Out of eight candidates five of whom were present two new members were elected: Dr. Xing Li from China and Prof. Dr. Srisakdi Charmonman from Thailand. The other sitting members of the execu- tive council are Geoff Huston, Prof. Jun Murai and Dr. Tommi Chen. The APNIC reported about their activities since the last meeting: Registration Services Yoshiko showed interesting statistics about APNICs address and AS number assignments. Also included was an overview of the contributors per country as well as assignment statistics per country. The APNIC has currently 108 con- tributors. The distribution in small, medium, large and enterprise contributors is similar to our region. In addition there are 5 confederations registered with APNIC. The APNIC handles great parts of requests with automatically parsable forms. We willinvesti- gate whether this might also be useful for the NCC. Financial Report Kyoko Day reported about last years expenses and presented the forecast for next year. The 1997 operating expenses are expected to be US$500.000. APNIC currently aims for a reserve ____________________________________________________ Page 3 APRICOT 1997 Reort Karrenberg, Kuehne ____________________________________________________ of around 6 months operating expenses. It is notable that the APNIC only formally exists since April 1996 and has therefore a short history that can be used as basis for their forecasts. One important issue for the contributors was the high level of company tax (>51%) that the APNIC has to pay in Japan. The executive council has asked the APNIC secre- tariat is to investigate a possible relocation to another country in the AP region. A report is expected in March and a decision in this matter will be taken soon thereafter. General Report David Conrad reported on general APNIC issues as staffing situation, equipment and future challenges. The APNIC has currently 3 full time staff (Yoshiko, Kyoko and David), one part-time staff for special projects and one part-time staff to support the business manager Kyoko Day. This is considered understaffed. It is planned to hire additional staff asap. The APNIC provides the following core services to its memebers: - IP address assignments and allocations - reverse delegation of the allocated and assigned addresss space - maintenance of the APNIC database - APRICOT meeting support The APNIC proposed to introduce a new billing cate- gory called confederations in order to improve fair- ness in charging national NICs and similar organisa- tions which are currently charged the same fees as single ISPs. There was a lively discussion about the financial consequences of this move. It was recognised that a way to charge fairly for confeder- ations was needed but financial instability could result. During this meeting a decision could not be reached. The APNIC secretariat will collect sugges- tions and re-issue a proposal to the membership. The membership will then have the option to vote on this electronically if a proper procedure to do this can be found. The meeting decided to introduce non-member fee to ____________________________________________________ Page 4 APRICOT 1997 Reort Karrenberg, Kuehne ____________________________________________________ those organisations who wish to obtain address space directly from the APNIC without being interested in becoming a member. They will be charged per address as well as a yearly maintenance fee for the database entries. The fees are set such that in typical cases they are substantially higher than those of a member registry. The meeting also decided that APNIC should start an activity to advise ISPs in the region which announce unnecessary routing prefixes on how to avoid this. It was noted that this is similar to activities C2 'Routing Registry Data Exchange' and C5 'RR Maintenance' of the NCC and we agreed to support each other in this endeavor. On suggestion of the secretariat the meeting decided to introduce a slow start allocation policy combined with an assignment window which is very similar to the one used by the NCC [ripe-140]. We supported the secretariat by describing our experiences to the meeting. The secretariat stated that membership meeting will be held prior to the conference in the future because meeting preparations were hampered by lack of time due to unexpected amounts of effort needed for the conference. Even during the meeting the winding down of conference activities needed atten- tion form secretariat staff. The APNIC will launch a new Web site which was shown to the meeting. Interesting topics were a "What's new?" page with pointers recently changed pages and documents on the site in reverse chronological order. The APNIC Web site also contains pointers to the other RIRs, the NCC should do the same. Conclusions Visiting the APRICOT and the APNIC Meeting was very useful as we had the possibility to exchange a lot of information and ideas with APNIC staff and Inter- net people from the AP region. This way we got a number of new ideas for the RIPE NCC's internal pro- cedures as well as for our meetings. Most signifi- cantly such direct exchanges help ensure that the regional registries maintain homogeneous policies and procedures. ____________________________________________________ Page 5

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Hostcount for April 1997
by Mirjam Kuehne 13 May '97

13 May '97

Dear all, Here is the hostcount for April 1997 - finally. The table shows an increase since last month of over 17,000 (or 4.2%) to a total of almost 4,400,000 hosts in the DNS in Europe. DE shows the highest increase for April with almost 50,000 hosts more than in March. The hostcount can also be found under ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount. The graphical version of the hostcount can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount/RIPE-Hostcount-{Mo,Qu}.eps The translation of the country codes can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/iso3166-countrycodes All this data can also be found at http://www.ripe.net/statistics/hostcount.html If you are intersted in the historic hostcount data, bunyip Information Services is hosting the complete set of data since 1994 under ftp://ftp.bunyip.com/pub/netstats/ripe I would like to thank all people who help me to create the hostcount every month by counting hosts locally: at Gerhard Winkler <winkler(a)cc.univie.ac.at> be Herman Moons <Herman.Moons(a)CS.kuleuven.ac.be> ch Marcel Schneider <hostmaster(a)nic.ch> cy Panagiotis Tzounakis <pj(a)ics.forth.gr> cz Jiri Orsag <Jiri.Orsag(a)eunet.cz> de Peter Koch <pk(a)TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE> dk Robert Martin-Legene <robert(a)dknet.dk> es Jose Sanchez-Seco <jose.sanchez(a)rediris.es> fi Petri Ojala <ojala(a)eunet.fi> fr Annie Renard <Annie.Renard(a)inria.fr> gr Dimitris Zisiadis <zisiadis(a)forthnet.gr> hr Ivan Maric <Ivan.Maric(a)stribor.srce.hr> hu Gabor Kiss <kissg(a)sztaki.hu> ie Mike Norris <mnorris(a)dalkey.hea.ie> il Sason Levi <sason(a)NetVision.net.il> it Antonio_Blasco Bonito <bonito(a)nis.garr.it> no Havard Eidnes <Havard.Eidnes(a)runit.sintef.no> pl Irek Neska <irek(a)nask.pl> pt Armando Domingues <fccn(a)dns.pt> ru Andrey Dobrotsvetov <adbr(a)ripn.net> sk Ivan Lescak <Ivan.Lescak(a)Slovakia.EU.net> Lubos Elias <Lubos.Elias(a)uakom.sk> sm Antonio_Blasco Bonito <bonito(a)nis.garr.it> tr Yener Yigit <yener(a)knidos.cc.metu.edu.tr> uk Kevin Hoadley <K.Hoadley(a)nosc.ja.net> Robert Stone <robert(a)nosc.ja.net> If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Mon Mar 31 1997 This Count : Wed Apr 30 1997 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================ al 5 79 0 79 0 am 20 267 7 260 + 46 at 6704 104860 13313 91547 -11486 az 4 73 1 72 + 21 ba 12 54 1 53 + 4 be 5017 89041 3967 85074 + 3990 bg 206 4632 190 4442 + 328 by 16 234 20 214 - 134 ch 11306 147083 11036 136047 - 5041 cy 208 1536 12 1524 - 82 cz 3054 50950 1946 49004 + 1776 de 41088 878405 57178 821227 +48655 dk 21295 136213 9444 126769 + 4528 dz 2 31 1 30 + 3 ee 704 10605 525 10080 + 89 eg 153 1879 44 1835 + 457 es 4459 156654 3824 152830 +17290 fi 4814 375131 6788 368343 +16588 fo 37 106 2 104 + 3 fr 8637 298605 13479 285126 +13866 gb 2 40 0 40 - 1 ge 16 259 2 257 - 6 gr 1072 23118 1078 22040 + 794 hr 675 6925 1030 5895 - 83 hu 1421 42750 3227 39523 + 6006 ie 2265 32523 1455 31068 + 497 il 2799 66326 6761 59565 + 1709 is 440 13232 184 13048 + 575 it 13051 247504 21831 225673 + 7266 li 133 394 112 282 + 12 lt 285 2326 140 2186 + 152 lu 478 4202 240 3962 + 76 lv 272 7076 404 6672 + 325 ma 25 533 20 513 - 52 md 19 166 18 148 + 49 mk 21 341 21 320 + 97 mt 102 886 118 768 + 229 nl 14646 315654 14535 301119 + 6601 no 8384 202894 9359 193535 +10112 pl 3451 69459 3668 65791 + 5841 pt 1502 29235 1229 28006 + 703 ro 563 10134 445 9689 + 198 ru 4321 72210 6552 65658 +15360 se 16071 295645 15199 280446 +13749 si 1054 17856 1400 16456 + 569 sk 1182 12151 1940 10211 + 36 sm 13 1115 517 598 + 41 su 765 21689 1050 20639 + 611 tn 4 61 7 54 + 3 tr 1991 25091 2322 22769 + 2266 ua 469 11734 2839 8895 + 1617 uk 51105 944538 126297 818241 +11880 va 2 8 0 8 0 yu 402 2894 121 2773 - 202 ============================================================ 236742 4737407 345899 4391508 +177931

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Final Announcement and Opportunity for sign-up: RIPE Database Workshop
by RIPE NCC Meeting Registration 13 May '97

13 May '97

In conjunction with the 27th RIPE meeting to be held in Dublin, 21-23 May, 1997, we will hold a: ******************************************************* * RIPE Database Workshop * * Dublin, Wednesday 21 May, 10:00-12:30 * ******************************************************* Agenda: 1. Finding what you're looking for in the RIPE database. Based on a number of example problems, some tips on graveling in the database to find the answers. This would include [LmM] whois flags, and the WAIS interace. 2. Tips and Tricks for maintaining your data. How to keep track of your data in the RIPE database: Using authorization methonds and keeping your data consistent. 3. Fun and Games using URL's in the RIPE database. Some tips on making the most of the Web interface to the database. 4. Seeking information globally. What kind of NIC handles are there? How do I find JL123-ORG? And who has 192.0.4.3? What flags [a,h,s] can I use to find what? We will precede the workshop with a 45 minute introduction for new users (at 09:00) if there is sufficient interest (at least 5 people). **** Sign up deadline: 14 May, 1997 **** ** (sign up is first come, first served)** =============================================================================== %START PART 1 - Registration %MTG [ dbws2 ] 1) Your name Enter First name, Last name in FULL e.g. John Doe Mary-Beth Walton %NAME [ ] 2) Your Organisation/Institution %ORG [ ] 3) Your e-mail address %EMAIL [ ] 4) Registtry ID The registry ID string of the local IR (if any) e.g. fr.lereseau de.dasnetz uk.thenet. Contributing local IRs will receive priority registration. %REGID [ ] %END

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hostcount April - not yet
by Mirjam Kuehne 12 May '97

12 May '97

Dear all, The hostcount will be a bit delayed this time (you might have noticed already ;-). There were a few problems in various zones and we are still investigating. Thank you for your patience, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC

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RIPE Database Workshop Announcement
by RIPE NCC Meeting Registration 03 May '97

03 May '97

In conjunction with the 27th RIPE meeting to be held in Dublin, 21-23 May, 1997, we will again hold a: ******************************************************* * RIPE Database Workshop * * Dublin, Wednesday 21 May, 10:00-12:30 * ******************************************************* Agenda: 1. Finding what you're looking for in the RIPE database. Based on a number of example problems, some tips on graveling in the database to find the answers. This would include [LmM] whois flags, and the WAIS interace. 2. Tips and Tricks for maintaining your data. How to keep track of your data in the RIPE database: Using authorization methonds and keeping your data consistent. 3. Fun and Games using URL's in the RIPE database. Some tips on making the most of the Web interface to the database. 4. Seeking information globally. What kind of NIC handles are there? How do I find JL123-ORG? And who has 192.0.4.3? What flags [a,h,s] can I use to find what? We will precede the workshop with a 45 minute introduction for new users (at 09:00) if there is sufficient interest (at least 5 people). **** Sign up deadline: 14 May, 1997 **** ** (sign up is first come, first served)** =============================================================================== %START PART 1 - Registration %MTG [ dbws2 ] 1) Your name Enter First name, Last name in FULL e.g. John Doe Mary-Beth Walton %NAME [ ] 2) Your Organisation/Institution %ORG [ ] 3) Your e-mail address %EMAIL [ ] 4) Registtry ID The registry ID string of the local IR (if any) e.g. fr.lereseau de.dasnetz uk.thenet. Contributing local IRs will receive priority registration. %REGID [ ] %END

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