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Re: [ripe-list] [members-discuss] A frank discussion
by Lu Heng 28 Oct '22

28 Oct '22

Hi Alex: See inline: Lu Heng Chief Executive Officer LARUS Limited Email H.Lu@LARUS.netmailto:a.yan@outsideheaven.com Office tel:+852+29888918 Address A3, 11/F, TML Tower, Tsuen Wan, N.T, Hong Kong SAR Website: LARUS.net This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ---- On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 21:00:11 +0800 Alex Le Heux <aleheux(a)tucowsinc.com> wrote --- What I support: - The RIPE NCC cooperating with other governance structures in the world. - The RIPE NCC taking any action it deems neccessary to safeguard the RIR system from outside threats and support other RIRs in their proper functioning. Asking RIR to be specialised agency of the united nation is none of above, unless you consider give RIR leadership immunity in order to escape community scrutiny is "protecting RIR system from outside threats". What I do not support: - Continued attempts by some members to gaslight the RIPE NCC into not doing the above. Revealing the attempt by RIR leadership to give up community to the united nation is not gaslighting RIPE NCC not doing above as well. It called Whistleblowing. If Community indeed want to be specialised agency of the united nation collectively, it is not up to me to make such decision, I would not agree, but if this indeed is the community position, we can be open and transparent about it. Keep confusing the community on "giving up community for governmental control" with "cooperation with governmental body", is not helping here. Alex Le Heux _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/h.lu%40larus.net

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Re: [ripe-list] [members-discuss] A frank discussion
by Sander Steffann 28 Oct '22

28 Oct '22

Hi, > On 27 Oct 2022, at 15:00, Alex Le Heux <aleheux(a)tucowsinc.com> wrote: > > What I support: > > - The RIPE NCC cooperating with other governance structures in the world. > - The RIPE NCC taking any action it deems neccessary to safeguard the RIR system from outside threats and support other RIRs in their proper functioning. > > What I do not support: > > - Continued attempts by some members to gaslight the RIPE NCC into not doing the above. Thank you for summarising this, +1 Cheers, Sander

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RIPE 85 Highlights - Day 4
by RIPE NCC Event Team 28 Oct '22

28 Oct '22

Dear colleagues, Thursday was the second and last day of the RIPE Working Group sessions – you can find some highlights from the day at: https://ripe85.ripe.net/programme/blog/ Today we continue with several plenary sessions and lightning talks followed by the Closing Plenary. The meeting will close at 12:30 (UTC+2). You can find the meeting plan at: https://ripe85.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ Stay tuned for what’s happening at RIPE 85 by following @ripemeeting on Twitter and using the #RIPE85 hashtag. Kind regards, RIPE Meeting Team

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SBAS Survey Results
by David Hausheer 27 Oct '22

27 Oct '22

Dear RIPE, in December 2021, the RIPE community was asked [1] to help by answering to a survey about the Secure Backbone AS (SBAS) architecture. Now, we would like to follow-up with the results of that survey which are included in a recent USENIX paper: Creating a Secure Underlay for the Internet https://www.usenix.org/system/files/sec22-birge-lee.pdf A full description of survey questions and results is contained in a tech report: https://arxiv.org/abs/2206.06879 [1] https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-list/2021-December/002400.html Kind regards, David Hausheer

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on the existence of this list: a suggestion
by Joe Abley 27 Oct '22

27 Oct '22

Hi all, Having foolishly neglected to either register to attend this week's meeting in person or on-line (you can follow the stream without registering, but I don't think you can send questions to the mic line), I thought I would send some small thoughts about the question of moderation of this list to this list. I would suggest that this list is used today for three main purposes: 1. Announcements; 2. Controversial topics and undesirable commentary that in recent times has often triggered active moderation; 3. Discussions about the operation, nature, purpose and value of the list itself, of which this e-mail is an example. It seems to me that there are better ways of achieving (1) than an open mailing list; we would arguably be better off without (2) altogether and (3) only has value so long as the list in its current form continues to exist. The days in which this list was used to advance the ideals of the community (and hence the Internet) in a practical, meaningful or operational way are long past, I think. Those conversations continue but they do not happen here. I think this is more likely to be a natural consequence of generational differences in the way that people communicate than a result of the way this list is implemented or operated. Other communication platforms are widely used today (and have long been widely used) for conversations relating to the Internet, the RIPE community and the RIPE NCC. I do not think this list is a necessary prerequisite for accountability or transparency. Unless people really think (2) and (3) have a value that exceeds the demonstrated cost of keeping this list alive, I suggest it should be closed. It's surely healthier for a community to adapt than it is to cling onto the past. Joe

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RIPE 85 Highlights - Day 3
by RIPE NCC Event Team 27 Oct '22

27 Oct '22

Dear colleagues, Yesterday at RIPE 85 saw more than 1096 people registered. On Meetecho, there were 254 unique participants in the main room and 115 unique participants in the side room, and more joined in via the RIPE 85 livestream and YouTube. Wednesday was the first day of the RIPE Working Group sessions – you can find some highlights from the day at: https://ripe85.ripe.net/programme/blog/ Today we continue with more working group sessions: Anti-Abuse, MAT, DNS, IoT, Database and Cooperation. You can find the meeting plan at: https://ripe85.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ Stay tuned for what’s happening at RIPE 85 by following @RIPEMeeting on Twitter and using the #RIPE85 hashtag. Kind regards, RIPE Meeting Team

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RIPE 85 Highlights - Day 2
by RIPE NCC Event Team 26 Oct '22

26 Oct '22

Dear colleagues, The second day of RIPE 85 ended with 1050 people registered. On Meetecho, there were 244 unique participants in the main room and 43 unique participants in the side room, and more joined in via the RIPE 85 livestream and YouTube. Tuesday we continued with plenary sessions and held two BoFs. You can find some highlights from the day at: https://ripe85.ripe.net/programme/blog/ Today, we kick off our working group sessions: Routing, Address Policy, Open Source, IPv6, Connect and RIPE NCC Services. You can find the meeting plan at: https://ripe85.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ Stay tuned for what’s happening at RIPE 85 by following @ripemeeting on Twitter and using the #RIPE85 hashtag. Kind regards, RIPE Meeting Team

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Re: [ripe-list] [members-discuss] A frank discussion
by Lu Heng 25 Oct '22

25 Oct '22

Hi Toma:That is exactly what Hans have been trying to confuse the community about.NRO letter is asking the government taking over RIR in exchange for immunity for RIR leadership , not asking government being part of community, but essentially ignore all the other stake holders, have government taking oversight rule -and abandon the 30 years community self governance. I am all for government stay as part of the community in multi stake holder model.But this is not the problem, and not the discussion needed here.Lu HengChief Executive Officer LARUS LimitedEmail H.Lu(a)LARUS.net Office +852 2988 8918 Address A3, 11/F, TML Tower, Tsuen Wan, N.T, Hong Kong SARWebsite: LARUS.netThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.---- On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 23:00:26 +0800 ximaera(a)gmail.com<ximaera(a)gmail.com> wrote ----Peace, On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 10:11 AM Lu Heng <h.lu(a)larus.net> wrote: > For RIPE NCC to make their case of seems deep interference with government > > [..] > > NRO's request to make RIR an ITU-like body, and RIPE NCC's apparent > consistent engagement with government officials to interfere in the matter, > I think it is high time for the community to be aware of, discuss and > decide whether such involvement is proper in a community driven, > bottom-up registry who has been independent of governmental > influences for more than three decades Outreach and mutual knowledge sharing between ASO/NRO and governments/intergovernmental organizations is neither anything new, nor a sign of any change in the way number resource authorities perform their duties in the multistakeholder model. You may want to get acquainted, for instance, with ICANN GAC duties and operations. https://gac.icann.org/about -- Töma

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RIPE 85 Highlights - Day 1
by RIPE NCC Event Team 25 Oct '22

25 Oct '22

Dear colleagues, The first day of RIPE 85 kicked off with over 390 attendees registered onsite for the meeting. Here are the highlights: - The meeting was opened by Mirjam Kühne, the RIPE Chair, who welcomed attendees for our second hybrid RIPE Meeting. - Presentations throughout the plenary sessions were well-attended, with 324 unique participants in the main room on Meetecho and 132 unique participants in the side room, and more joining in via the RIPE 85 livestream and YouTube. - We wrapped up the first day with a welcome reception to meet the RIPE Chair Team, Mirjam Kühne and Niall O'Reilly, and the RIPE NCC Executive Board. You can catch up with what happened on Day One by reading our Daily Meeting Report: https://ripe85.ripe.net/programme/blog/ Today we continue with the plenary sessions and two BoFs. You can find the meeting plan at: https://ripe85.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ -------------------- PC Elections -------------------- The call for nominations is still open until 15:30 (UTC+2) today. You can nominate yourself or someone else by sending an email with a biography and photograph to pc [at] ripe [dot] net. There are currently two seats up for election to the RIPE Programme Committee. The RIPE PC online voting system will open today at 16:00 (UTC+2) and close on Thursday, 27 October at 17:00 (UTC+2). The results will be announced during the closing plenary on Friday. --- Stay tuned to what’s happening at RIPE 85 by following @RIPEMeeting on Twitter and using the #RIPE85 hashtag. Kind regards, RIPE Meeting Team

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RIPE 85 Opens Today
by RIPE NCC Event Team 24 Oct '22

24 Oct '22

Dear colleagues, RIPE Chair Mirjam Kühne will open RIPE 85 today at 14:00 (UTC+2). You can follow our second hybrid RIPE Meeting online in the following ways: - On Meetecho - Via the livestream on the RIPE 85 website - On YouTube More information on how to participate can be found at: https://ripe85.ripe.net/ To stay up-to-date with the latest RIPE Meeting updates, follow us on Twitter: @ripemeeting, #ripe85 Kind regards, RIPE Meeting Team

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