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RIPE26: Hotels
by RIPE NCC Staff 07 Jan '97

07 Jan '97

26th RIPE meeting Amsterdam, The Netherlands January 20th-22nd, 1997 Hotel information ================= Rooms have to be reserved by the participants themselves. Below you find a list of hotels you can contact to find a room. You can also: - for more information, look at http://www.nbt.nl/holland/hotels/ho-pa - contact: National Reservations Centre P.O. Box 404 NL-2260 AK LEIDSCHENDAM tel. +31 70 320 2500 fax +31 70 320 2611 -------------- <> All phone numbers below require the prefix 31 20 <quoted number>. <> All tram connections are from central station. <> Data are subject to change, please check first Low budget hotels (price range 90-120 Hfl): Name Adress Phone Fax Tram Barbacan Plantage Muidergracht 89 6236241 6272041 9 Lancaster Plantage Middenlaan 48 6266544 6226628 9 Somewhat more expensive but located near the Central Railway Station (price range 185-210 Hfl): Hotel Ibis Stationsplein 49 6383080 6200156 Recommended by Chris Jones: Mercure Arthur Frommer Noorderstraat 46 6220328 6203208 16/24/25 The following hotels can be booked at: AMS Booking Center P.O.Box 60011 1005 GA Amsterdam The Netherlands phone: 6831811 fax: 6160320 telex: 14275 single/ Phone Fax Tram double Museum *** 170/244 P.C. Hooftstraat 2 6621402 6733918 5 Trianon *** 170/244 J.W. Brouwerstraat 3-7 6732073 6738868 16 Terdam *** 170/244 Tesselschadestraat 23 6126876 6838313 5 Holland *** 170/244 P.C. Hooftstraat 162 6764253 6765956 5 Beethoven **** 190/280 Beethovenstraat 43 6644816 6621240 24 Lairesse **** 240/280 De Lairessestraat 5-7 6719596 6711756 16 Reservations for the following hotels only through TERENA for these special rates. *Deadline is 13 January* : Doelen Hotel Nieuwe Doelenstraat 24 Amsterdam tel: +31 20 622 07 22 fax: +31 20 622 10 84 rates single _and_ double room f185 (incl. breakfast) ------------------------------------------------------ Caransa Hotel Rembrandtplein 19 Amsterdam tel: +31 20 622 94 55 fax: +31 20 622 27 73 rates single _and_ double room is f175 (incl. breakfast) ------------------------------------------------------------ Amsterdam Nova Hotel Nieuwezijds Voorburgwal 276 Amsterdam tel: +31 20 623 00 66 fax: +31 20 627 20 26 rate for single room is f120 rate for double room is f160 rate for triple room is f195 rate for quadr. room is f225 (all include breakfast) -------------------------------------------------------------- The TERENA secretariat is reachable at : E-mail: secretariat(a)terena.nl

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RIPE26: Announcement
by RIPE NCC Staff 07 Jan '97

07 Jan '97

(Apologies for multiple postings) (This info is also available at http://www.ripe.net/html/noframes/meetings.html) (Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience caused by sending out this announcement at such a late stage. Unlike previous meetings RIPE will now charge a participation fee payable by attendees. The expenses had to be worked out, hence the delay in announcement.) 26th RIPE meeting Amsterdam, The Netherlands January 20th-22nd, 1997 R I P E meeting announcement ============================ This is to announce that the 26th RIPE meeting will take place: Dates: 20th January, 1997 start: 10:00/14:00 (*) ------ 21st January, 1997 22nd January, 1997 end: 12:30/15:30 (*) * We're sorry not to be able to give better estimates until shortly before the meeting. Venue: CWI ------ Kruislaan 413 1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands General meeting overview: ------------------------- - We assume that before the working group meetings, on Monday 20th, there will be an EOF (European Operators Forum) meeting. The exact starting time will probably be known shortly before the RIPE meeting. It will end 12:30. - Monday 20th, 14:00-18:00 and Tuesday 21st, 09:00-12:30, there will be various RIPE working groups sessions. Working groups that are likely to take place: o Database o Local IR o Routing o IPv6 o Netnews (more info on these working groups can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/html/noframes/wg.html) - Tuesday 21st, 14:00-18:00 and Wednesday 22nd, 09:00- +/-15:30 (*), the plenary session will take place, with reports from the RIPE NCC, reports from the working group meetings and other presentations. Registration: ------------- Please use the registration form (which will follow in a seperate mail) to give notice of your coming as soon as possible. You have various options for making payment of the registration fee, depending upon whether or not you want to submit payment electronically. Note that the only credit cards that we accept are American Express, Visa, and Mastercard. Options: 1. Fill out the registration form and e-mail it to us together with your credit card information as asked for in PART 2 of the form. 2. Fill out the registration from without your credit card information, and send your credit card information to the following fax number: +31 20 592 5090 3. Fill out the registration form and pay at the meeting by credit card or by cash. (This is the least prefered method of payment!) Please note that it is possible to pay for the RIPE dinner, which will take place on 21 January 1997, as a part of the same credit card payment. For details of the cost of the dinner see the registration form. General information: -------------------- Currency (checked 7 January 1997): 1 UK pound = Hfl 2.9 1 ECU = Hfl 2.1 1 US$ = Hfl 1.7 More information about Amsterdam: --------------------------------- Websurfers may take a look at: <> http://www.xxlink.nl/cities/amsterdam <> http://www.channels.nl/ Appended to this announcement: ------------------------------ <> directions to the meeting place Documents to follow: -------------------- <> details of hotels in Amsterdam close to meeting venue <> announcement RIPE Meeting Dinner <> registration form for attendance at the meeting (and dinner) (Unlike this announcement, the 3 other messages will ony be posted to the 'ripe-list' mailinglist. If you do not receive them, you can find the information on the Web at http://www.ripe.net/html/noframes/meetings.html or via FTP from ftp.ripe.net/ripe/archives/ripe-list/current) ================================================================== Directions to meeting venue: ---------------------------- >From Amsterdam airport (Schiphol): o Take the train from the airport railway station to the Central Railway station. >From the Central Railway station: o Change to the stop train to Utrecht / Amersfoort / Lelystad. Next station is the 'Muiderpoort' railway station. or o Take bus 22 in the direction 'Indische Buurt' to the stop at the 'Muiderpoort Station'. or o Take tramway number 9 till the stop at the corner of Middenweg and Kruislaan (15 min ride) o Walk down the Kruislaan in the direction of the railway bridge. Cross under the bridge and continue. Take the 2nd entrance left and proceed to the RIPE meeting venue. (you'll see signs.) (15 min walk all together). >From the Muiderpoort Railway station: o Take bus 66 (5-10 minutes ride). At the exit of the railway station turn to the left, pass through the tunnel, turn left again and cross the street. The stop for bus 66 is there (behind the tram stop). The bus passes twice broad railway bridges. Get off at the second stop after the second passage, pass through the gate at the left, and proceed to the RIPE meeting venue. (you'll see signs.) Bus 66 is operated in conjunction with bus 61. Therefore the bus does not always show the correct linenumber. In case of doubt ask the driver or your fellow-passengers. >Taxi from the airport: o 15 min ride o fl. 60 appr.

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Phil Jones
by Denis.Russell＠ncl.ac.uk 02 Jan '97

02 Jan '97

My apologies for the delay in sending the following two messages - I've only just seen them myself. I'm sure that many in the RIPE community will share my shock and sadness at this untimely news. Denis. >From: Alan Grant <A.Grant(a)bristol.ac.uk> >To: ucisa directors <ucisa-directors(a)mailbase.ac.uk> >Subject: Phil Jones >Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 09:56:37 +0000 (GMT) > >I am sorry to inform you that Phil Jones finally lost his brave fight >against cancer yesterday (Sunday) when he died peacefully at about 5a.m. > >As many of you will know Phil contributed a great deal to the academic >community over more than 20 years. Initially he worked here in the >University of Bristol and this was followed by spells in the South West >Regional Computer Centre in Bath, the JNT and, latterly, in UKERNA. > >Details are not yet known, but his funeral may be in the first few >days in January. > >Alan Grant > >From: Alan Grant <A.Grant(a)bristol.ac.uk> >To: ucisa-directors(a)mailbase.ac.uk >Subject: Phil Jones >Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 11:27:46 +0000 (GMT) > >Further to my message of yesterday a number of people have asked for >details of the funeral arrangements which are as follows: > > 11:30 Friday 3 Jan 97 > at > Canford Crematorium > Westbury on Trym > Bristol > > >The family has email access via Phil's elder son, Tim - TAJ(a)iosis.co.uk >Their address is: Mrs Eleanor Jones, 24, Salisbury Road, Redland, >Bristol BS6 7AP > >Alan Grant > Denis Russell email: Denis.Russell(a)ncl.ac.uk Computing Service Tel: (+44) 191 222 8243 University of Newcastle Fax: (+44) 191 222 8765 Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 7RU ENGLAND

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RIPE Meeting 26
by John LeRoy Crain 30 Dec '96

30 Dec '96

Dear Colleagues, Seasons greetings.. This is a short note to inform you about the upcoming RIPE meeting. The meeting will be held at the Nikhef building in Amsterdam from Monday January 20th to Wednesday January 22nd 1997. Unlike previous RIPE meetings there will be a participation fee payable by attendees. The exact details of this will be published with the official announcement in the begining of January. For those who wish to attend the RIPE meeting who will need a visa we would advise that you begin these procedures as soon as possible. The RIPE NCC will be able to send invitations on request to those requiring them. Kind regards, John Crain RIPE NCC

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TF-CACHE: Next meeting - 23rd Jan 1997
by John Martin 23 Dec '96

23 Dec '96

All, As agreed in our last meeting, the next meeting of the caching task force will be on Thursday 23rd January 1997 at the TERENA Secretariat in Amsterdam. This is immediately following the RIPE meeting (also in Amsterdam between 20-22 Jan - see www.ripe.net for details). I will prepare a tentative agenda with Ingrid and send it out approximately two weeks before the meeting. As our meeting facilities are somewhat limited, I'd be grateful if you could respond to this message and let me know if you plan to attend - attendance is open to all but should numbers demand, we will have to limit attendance to one person per network operator. I look forward to seeing you in January - have a great Christmas and a happy New Year. Regards, John

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SIRCE to be awarded to DANTE and UKERNA
by Daniel Karrenberg 20 Dec '96

20 Dec '96

Dear colleagues, we have just learned that the SIRCE pilot will be awarded to DANTE and UKERNA. For details see included message. It also contains contact information for those interested. Seasons greetings Daniel ------- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 13:26:33 +0100 From: Josefien.Bersee(a)dante.org.uk (Josefien Bersee) Sender: neworg-ga-request(a)terena.nl To: terena-ga(a)terena.nl, M2107(a)eurokom.ie, ceec(a)terena.nl, wg-all@terena. nl Subject: The Works of DANTE, No.18 _____________________________________________________________________ * * A bi-monthly electronic news bulletin * * reporting on the activities of DANTE, * the company that organises international * network services for the European THE WORKS OF D A N T E research community. No.18, December 1996 Editor: Josefien Bersee _____________________________________________________________________ DANTE/UKERNA PARTNERSHIP TO SET UP SIRCE SERVICE The TERENA Executive Committee has announced its intention to award the set-up of a pilot European Security Incident Response Coordination Service to a partnership consisting of DANTE and UKERNA. UKERNA is the UK organisation responsible for the operation and development of JANET and SuperJANET. The establishment of a European Security Incident Response Coordination Service was discussed and requested by the European IRTs (Incident Response Teams) to solve a number of coordination problems. These include dependence of European IRTs on the US funded CERT/CC, as well as those arising from cultural, legal and language differences, and different time zones. In consultation with its CERT Task Force, the TERENA Executive Committee set up a Technical Advisory Group (TAG) to advise TERENA on a suitable organization to lead a two and a half year pilot service. At the beginning of October 1996, TERENA issued a call for proposals to a limited number of organisations for the operation of the SIRCE (Security Incident Response Coordination for Europe) pilot. DANTE and UKERNA decided to respond to the call by establishing a partnership which brings together the complementary skills of the two organisations. UKERNA has the technical expertise of the well- established JANET-CERT, while DANTE has the commercial and administrative experience in the management of coordinated pan- European services. The pilot service is planned to be launched in the first quarter of 1997. DANTE and UKERNA, in consultation with TERENA, will immediately start preparing the service implementation, one element of which is the drafting of a detailed service specification. As required in the specification of the TERENA CERT Task Force the service will develop gradually. In the initial phase a coordination function will be offered, which includes organisation of meetings, help for the establishment of new IRTs, and the provision of information services. In the second phase of the pilot incident coordination will be included, and SIRCE will be involved in the process of responding to individual incidents. After the pilot phase it is intended that an operational service will provide full incident coordination, 24 hours/7 days a week. ... * * * * * * * and of course to all of you... * * * * * A VERY GOOD CHRISTMAS BREAK AND BEST WISHES FOR 1997! * * * * * ___________________________________________________________________ DANTE Tel +44 1223 302992 Francis House Fax +44 1223 303005 112 Hills Road E-mail dante(a)dante.org.uk Cambridge CB2 1PQ WWW http://www.dante.net ___________________________________________________________________ ------- End of Forwarded Message

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APRICOT '97
by David R. Conrad 17 Dec '96

17 Dec '96

Hi, Apologies if inappropriate -- this is just to fill you in on some action in the "other" region, should you be interested. The Asia Pacific Regional Internet Conference on Operational Technologies (APRICOT, http://www.apricot.net) is a conference and series of tutorials targetted primarily at people who run (or plan to run) large networks, particularly Internet Service Providers. This year, there are 13 tutorials ranging from DNS to Perl Programming and a 3 track conference consisting of 2 two day tracks on network operations and services & applications, and 2 one day tracks, one on legal and policy issues in cooperation with the Asia Pacific Policy and Legal (APPLe) Forum and the other, the Business of the Internet, in cooperation with the Asia Pacific Internet Association (APIA). For more information on the conference program and the tutorials, see http://www.apricot.net/program.html. To register for the conference, see the APRICOT registration page at http://www.apricot.net/registration.html (note that the web page uses SSL for secure transfers so you can safely send your credit card numbers over the Internet). If you do not have access to the web, please contact me and I'll send or fax an email form. Dates: APRICOT Tutorials: Jan 27 - 28 APRICOT Conference: Jan 29 - 30 APNIC Meeting: Jan 31 Fees: Conference Registration: US $275 Tutorials: US $275/tutorial If you have any questions, feel free to contact me or the organizing committee (apricot-oc(a)apricot.net) Regards, -drc

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Re: Very fast IP, no ATM...
by Peter Lothberg 09 Dec '96

09 Dec '96

> Peter Lothberg writes: > > > > I don't undertsand, if ATM did create bandwith it would be great, but > > it does not. If ATM was needed to make packets move it would be great, > > but it's not. > > One issue on the above is that the ATM pipes have the history of going > a step faster than the wide area IP pipes at the same time. Like we're > now at STM4 for ATM and at STM1 for IP. Though this does not help too > much with the current routing gear, but at least you can feed your > backbone with a stack of STM1 ATM interfaces and actually move bits at > aggregate rates that go STM4 if not faster (I can put multiple STM4 > pipes in parallel in the backbone). 1. You need routers in and out of your cloud if your service is IP. STM-4 (packets) as router interfaces will be availiable when needed. > > It seems to be usable as aa replacement for X.25 and Frame-Relay, for > > those who buy bandwith and routers and build private networks, but, > > for a public infrastructure, I don't think so. > > > A close look at the Internet market shows a large set of products > aimed, in a way or another, for 'secure transmission of data over the > Internet'. Either terminal-connections, like SSH, or VPN's. I see that > as a clear demand for VPN services, at least for the area where > bandwidth is inexpensive and plenty. Like in our case in Finland and > Sweden. It does not take that much our of your pocket to pay the cell > tax if the amount you start from is not large. (remember this when you > fill in your tax forms, the "best way" to save in taxes is to earn > less :-) Cell-tax chart. POSIP ATM ether ip MAX POSIP SPE MAX cells ATM SPE size size POSIP goodput eff ATM per goodput eff (Bytes) (Bytes) pps (MB/sec) (%) pps packet (MB/sec) (%) ------ ------ ------- ---------- ---- ------- ---- ---------- ---- 64 46 353,207 16.2475 86.79 176,603 2 8.1237 43.39 128 110 160,000 17.6000 94.02 117,735 3 12.9509 69.18 256 238 76,408 18.1851 97.14 58,867 6 14.0103 74.84 512 494 37,365 18.4583 98.60 32,109 11 15.8618 84.73 1024 1006 18,479 18.5899 99.30 16,054 22 16.1503 86.27 1518 1500 12,422 18.6330 99.54 11,037 32 16.5555 88.44 (2048) 2030 9,189 18.6537 99.65 8,214 43 16.6744 89.07 (4352) 4334 4,312 18.6882 99.83 3,881 91 16.8202 89.85 (4488) 4470 4,181 18.6890 99.83 3,757 94 16.7938 89.71 Remember thaat long-haul bandwidth is a very scarse resource att the rate it will be consumed. > > As the service deleiverd at the endpoint is IP, we need to > > interconnect the various parts of IP moving clouds, so we will have to > > have IP-switches (called routers) that go damn fast anyway. > > > Definetly we do. The problem here is that we're a generation away from > routers that would go STM4. And maybe generation and half away from > routers that would maintain fairness and maybe even QoS across them at > the same time they go STM4 on a dozen interfaces. Go read the latest issues of the trade-press like communications week. > > So, explain what's the problem here, I just demostrated that you can > > run production IP traffic at 155Mbit without making a detour through > > an ATM switch. > > > Where the current POS pipe is, is a perfect place for 'ATM-less' > circuit. When you say that you're going to do the next circuit > locally, that makes me wonder of the benefits. If you would run the > STM4 halfway across the globe, I would understand the benefits of > being free of cell tax. It will take until 1998 before there will be cablesystsems along the path that can give me a oc12c/stm-4, but we will have inside Sweden. > > It has been more stable than any other international circiut we have, > > and the 'new' technology works great. > > > On which of the submarine cables it runs on, btw? tat12/13, rioja, odin, denmark, se-dk-17. --Peter

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another correction :-( for .fr this time)
by Mirjam Kuehne 09 Dec '96

09 Dec '96

Hi all, This wasn't my month really: I have to send you another update, this time for .fr: CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================ fr 5601 230882 7874 223008 -4176 This changes the total figures to: ============================================================ 136510 3686719 248429 3438290 +85584 I have adjusted the files on the ftp site to reflect this change. Please not that I did not incorporate the corrected data for the UK from October (see my previous message) in the table. This would give a wrong picture of the growth. However, as announced in my previous mail, you can find the correct output and error files for the UK from October at the usual place (ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount/) I am sorry for the confusion. Kind Regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC

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Re: Very fast IP, no ATM...
by Peter Lothberg 09 Dec '96

09 Dec '96

> Could anybody help me a bit with SONET/SDH technology: > what is the present state of - say STM4c vs STM4 etc.- > standardization. I think you are mixing Sonet and SDH terminology here, both SDH and Sonet are vell standardized upto 622. Speed SDH Sonet ----------------------------------------- 155M STM-1 OC3c 622M STM-4 OC12c > At Stuttgart we run some 20km dark fibre driven by FORE`s > ATM/STM4c boards (NEC SX4 32 - Cray T3E 512) - would > we buy e.g. NORTEL SDH equipment if this would be - > say 100km - and what about public European SDH? I can't answer, as you mix names. But, for the two speeds mentioned above, both Sonet and SDH transport equipment could be configured to carry either of. The tricky part is how to configure protection, and that's the same for both Sonet and SDH. > How is vBNS going to upgrade to 622Mbit/s ? (Not my department) but I think they use ATM switches. > What does the the below "Cisco's Native IP over SDH/VC4" > exactly say? Read the RFC on PPP over Sonet, but here is how it's stuffed into a container, and note I don't do PPP on the link we talked about, just cisco HDLC. |<--------------------------------------------------270 Bytes-------->| |<--------------9 Bytes------------>|<1B>|<---------260 Bytes-------->| -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | A1| A1| A1| A2| A2| A2| J0| Z0| Z0||J1|| | |-----------------------------------||--|| + SOH | B1| | | E1| | | F1| | ||B3|| | +-----------------------------------||--|| HDLC byte stuffed + | D1| | | D2| | | D3| | ||C2|| inserted here | -- +-----------------------------------||--|| + -- +-----------------------------------||--|| Synchronous Payload + Point| H1| H1| H1| H2| H2| H2| H3| H3| H3||G1|| Envelope (SPE) | -- +-----------------------------------||--|| + -- +-----------------------------------||--|| + | B2| B2| B2| K1| | | K2| | ||F2|| ----------------------------||--|| + | D4| | | D5| | | D6| | ||H4|| | +-----------------------------------||--|| + LOH | D7| | | D8| | | D9| | ||Z3|| | +-----------------------------------||--|| + |D10| | |D11| | |D12| | ||Z4|| | +-----------------------------------||--|| + | S1| Z1| Z1| Z2| Z2| M1| E2| | ||Z5|| | -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ --Peter

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